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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

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Liam Baker swore black and blue that a Port Adelaide goal brushed his finger on Sunday. The footage, as always, was inconclusive. You suspect that in years to come, incidents such as that will still be the hardest to solve with technology.

He needs to get his eyes checked though - the player was Short and the vision certainly wasn't inconclusive!
 
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I dont know if its because im biased ..or because richmond are so inept and undisciplined or if something far more sinister is behind the last 5 years of richmond getting the least free kicks and giving away thw most .Its made me so angry ,frustrated and bewildered .I end up swearing and losing my temper,which i never do otherwise .
The same with my tiger mad girlfriend .
We talked about it after yesterdays game and come to a desicion to keep our memberships but stop going to games as its just to damaging to our mental health, im to old to deal with the extra blood pressure because of infuriating umpiring and rules .
Me too, came to the same conclusion yesterday. I am too busy with kids sports all weekend, to then go to the game and be put through that EVERY week, just making me a bitter and twisted person at the moment.
 
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Add to that the closing of the top tier of the Ponsford and Olympic stands yesterday, so everyone with a GA membership was crammed into the Shane Warne Stand, with minimal food outlets opened up. Also the non opening of gates downstairs when everyone was trying to leave the ground, causing a bottle neck (and a massive fire hazard). I left the game yesterday for the first time ever thinking I am done with the AFL and all its bulls#$t treatment of RFC.
 
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We always had problems with Hocking - that’s been on record. But gee, we wouldn’t also have problems with a certain disgruntled ex employee would we ?

Just throwin it out there…;)
 
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It was infuriating. There was a delay and my first thought was "surely they cannot get away with not paying that!!!"

Clearly a free and the umpire looking directly at it refuses to pay it. There has to be more to it.

Even the free against Shai in our F50 was not really there. And the ball stayed in and Shai was swooping I think. And of course (it was that *smile* Donlon) you knew any reaction from Shai would be punished with a 50. We were 17 points up and had all the momentum. Those sort of decisions cvan swing games.

I can totally understand our players being frustrated.
That's why the 50s happen against us most of the time. Sometimes it's our stupidity but we now see less of this over the years.

Our players get pissed off causing frustration and the flog just influences it.
 
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Use either of these email addresses. Send a message to the club. I have.

Let’s see what the club will do if enough people actually show their disgust and outrage.
Or will people just bleat about it every week, without the balls to do something about it?

”We’ve had enough and we’re not going to take it anymore”
Hi,
If the Richmond Football Club isn’t going to represent its members and question the afl in regard to its umpires and the continued mistreatment of our players.
I will be having serious thoughts of continuing with my club membership.
Over the last years it is quite apparent that the umpiring fraternity has a significant bias against our players. First it was claimed to be our “playing style”, then when other clubs play the same style, the umpiring doesn’t change for them.
It’s *smile*.
The fixture.
The afl club dividends.
The MRO and its petty little fines against any Richmond player.
The MRO and its bias against Marlion Pickett
Corrupt changing of match rules at the whim of one person.
Caroline Wilson’s claim “Richmond and the afl are at war”.

It seems this contrived game is not about being a sports competition but a sports entertainment where the clear goal is about money making, bonuses to afl department heads, a Commission that doesn’t represent the game, the clubs or the games members.
If people within the club followed social media, they’d be aware of the outrage and disgust that is quite apparent. Firstly with how the afl treat our club, or players and its membership. Secondly, what is the club going to do about it.
This will have a massive effect of people renewing memberships.
Regards Willo
RFC member # 1072626
Thanks Willo. I'll be sending an email and suggest everyone else does also.
 
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I dont know if its because im biased ..or because richmond are so inept and undisciplined or if something far more sinister is behind the last 5 years of richmond getting the least free kicks and giving away thw most .Its made me so angry ,frustrated and bewildered .I end up swearing and losing my temper,which i never do otherwise .
The same with my tiger mad girlfriend .
We talked about it after yesterdays game and come to a desicion to keep our memberships but stop going to games as its just to damaging to our mental health, im to old to deal with the extra blood pressure because of infuriating umpiring and rules .

yep.

I watched VFL Saturday, and really enjoyed it. kind of just watched and appreciated a game of footy, without all the angst. paid too much for a beer and a pie, sat in my tigers jumper, yelled out encouragement, didn't notice the umpires.

its partly me being less invested in the outcome,

but also partly the umpiring being inconspicuous.

I felt yesterdays AFL was terrible, even by our regular umpiring standards.

I didn't enjoy it.

The more I think about, the more im realising it HAS to be in our power to stop.

because I think its a negative feedback loop.

Umps shaft us, we hate them and call them filthy green maggots and vilify them on social media, they dont live in a vacuum so they read and hear it, hate us and persecute us more.

chicken or egg? it doesn't matter.

the persecution is real. but I have to rule out conspiracy; why would The AFL systematically rout us? and if they did, too many people would be involved for it to stay secret. there would be a whistle blower ('Gil told the boss to tell me to shaft Richmond') at a pub or in a taxi or on the back page of the paper. same applies to betting corruption: why would they only fix Richmond games? and someone would get caught or blow the whistle.

no, it has to be human error, driven by egos, producing vindictiveness.

us and them in a kind of abusive relationship.

a kind of self-fulfilling prophesy. we see Curtis DeBoy assigned to us days before the bounce and we all go (reasonably) 'great were gonna get shafted', we all hate Deboy more, his mum and sister read social media and say 'jeez they really hate you. do you know what they say about you?'. he exercises the only power he has through his whistle, and thinks 'hahahaha, *smile* you Richmond *smile*'

I dont see how it can be anything else.

the only way to test it would be hand out duct tape at games and we all remain silent,

and see if it got better?

back in 2015, I developed a similar theory that we were responsible for Richmonds propensity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

it was our collective fear being projected on to the playing arena.

somehow, we broke the cycle and became collectively certain of victory, and the players felt it and it too became self-fulfilling.

how do we crack the umpire negative loop? Pay Dusty to become an umpire?

start saying 'you ripper, we've got Curtis this week, he'll look after us'. and cheering him in a non-bronx fashion?

*smile* knows.

im pretty over it though
 
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Add to that the closing of the top tier of the Ponsford and Olympic stands yesterday, so everyone with a GA membership was crammed into the Shane Warne Stand, with minimal food outlets opened up. Also the non opening of gates downstairs when everyone was trying to leave the ground, causing a bottle neck (and a massive fire hazard). I left the game yesterday for the first time ever thinking I am done with the AFL and all its bulls#$t treatment of RFC.
Yeh, they clearly do that to save on staff and costs. The whole experience is just *smile*. Bombard you with loud music and ads. And as you go to leave make it as difficult and uncomfortable as possible.

How do you support the club but not the AFL? It's gotta be the shittest run major sports competition in the world with the most sycophantic media providing zero scrutiny?
 
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Theres been a bit of a change with the commentary around umps this year from the media. I'll hasten a guess that Gill was heavy handed on anyone that talks down the product, I reckon Dillon is a bit more of an introvert and maybe doesn't act out so much. Hopefully this is the start of the change and if it was Gil that was the roadblock (I think he was personally) then maybe the goalposts have changed enough now to have a serious conversation via the non-AFL media (ie. the Fox media) pushing for change.
I reckon ive noticed a shift in the commentary around our free kick counts- they started yesterday by saying Tiger fans never like the umps, but then suggested perhaps we have a reason not too. I noticed this last week too.
Might just be they think we are rubbish now, so are starting not to be jealous anymore.
 
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There was a free paid to Mansell in the 3rd quarter which he goaled from, it was pretty obvious. Controlling umpire is standing boundary side looking straight at it, refuses to pay it. Non controlling umpire from the centre of the field comes running along and pays the free correctly. Why does the non controlling ump have to over rule an umpire closer for a decision that is stone wall, it wasn't even a 50/50, more like a 90/10 and the controlling umpire from 10m away won't pay it. That tells me there is clearly a conscious or unconscious bias.
This happened not once but twice. Embarrassing for the umpires.
 
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I reckon ive noticed a shift in the commentary around our free kick counts- they started yesterday by saying Tiger fans never like the umps, but then suggested perhaps we have a reason not too. I noticed this last week too.
Might just be they think we are rubbish now, so are starting not to be jealous anymore.
I can't stand that smug Huddo voice at times in this case.
 
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yep.

I watched VFL Saturday, and really enjoyed it. kind of just watched and appreciated a game of footy, without all the angst. paid too much for a beer and a pie, sat in my tigers jumper, yelled out encouragement, didn't notice the umpires.

its partly me being less invested in the outcome,

but also partly the umpiring being inconspicuous.

I felt yesterdays AFL was terrible, even by our regular umpiring standards.

I didn't enjoy it.

The more I think about, the more im realising it HAS to be in our power to stop.

because I think its a negative feedback loop.

Umps shaft us, we hate them and call them filthy green maggots and vilify them on social media, they dont live in a vacuum so they read and hear it, hate us and persecute us more.

chicken or egg? it doesn't matter.

the persecution is real. but I have to rule out conspiracy; why would The AFL systematically rout us? and if they did, too many people would be involved for it to stay secret. there would be a whistle blower ('Gil told the boss to tell me to shaft Richmond') at a pub or in a taxi or on the back page of the paper. same applies to betting corruption: why would they only fix Richmond games? and someone would get caught or blow the whistle.

no, it has to be human error, driven by egos, producing vindictiveness.

us and them in a kind of abusive relationship.

a kind of self-fulfilling prophesy. we see Curtis DeBoy assigned to us days before the bounce and we all go (reasonably) 'great were gonna get shafted', we all hate Deboy more, his mum and sister read social media and say 'jeez they really hate you. do you know what they say about you?'. he exercises the only power he has through his whistle, and thinks 'hahahaha, *smile* you Richmond *smile*'

I dont see how it can be anything else.

the only way to test it would be hand out duct tape at games and we all remain silent,

and see if it got better?

back in 2015, I developed a similar theory that we were responsible for Richmonds propensity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

it was our collective fear being projected on to the playing arena.

somehow, we broke the cycle and became collectively certain of victory, and the players felt it and it too became self-fulfilling.

how do we crack the umpire negative loop? Pay Dusty to become an umpire?

start saying 'you ripper, we've got Curtis this week, he'll look after us'. and cheering him in a non-bronx fashion?

*smile* knows.

im pretty over it though
Very interesting post, Easy.

Also remember that the AFL almost invariably sign off on all contentious umpiring decisions. If they (almost) never admit to making mistakes how are they ever going to get any better?
 
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There was a free paid to Mansell in the 3rd quarter which he goaled from, it was pretty obvious. Controlling umpire is standing boundary side looking straight at it, refuses to pay it. Non controlling umpire from the centre of the field comes running along and pays the free correctly. Why does the non controlling ump have to over rule an umpire closer for a decision that is stone wall, it wasn't even a 50/50, more like a 90/10 and the controlling umpire from 10m away won't pay it. That tells me there is clearly a conscious or unconscious bias.

Yeah, I was fairly close to that one and it was so obvious. Even with the crowd being very one-sided and quite vocal it took an umpire miles away to pay a very obvious free.

The Pickett high tackle was obvious from behind the goals and from memory was on the wing.

There was a very obvious throw in the middle by a Port player that I could see from behind the goals.

They just don't pay the frees.

Questions need to be asked but the spineless sycophants in the AFL media bubble just won't call it out.

DS
 
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Very interesting post, Easy.

Also remember that the AFL almost invariably sign off on all contentious umpiring decisions. If they (almost) never admit to making mistakes how are they ever going to get any better?

Yes.

A mature competant organisation would go

'Theres clearly an anomoly in richmonds free kick differential, we are going to investigate why'

Then they would investigate it, then they would publically report the findings.

I suspect an investigator would find qualitative stuff; he'd interview deboy and he say 'can you explain why you consistently pay twice As many free kicks to richmonds opponents?'

And deboy would let something slip.

With modern technology, a nerd could do a multivariate analysis of when and where our frees do and dont get paid, quite simply.

And im convinced it would be a very compelling analysis, especially when contrasted to Collingwoods data set through the same time period
 
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Im not sure that pic proves much, but throwing across the league is ridiculous. And of course of the 3 frees ive seen paid for throws 2 have been against us. The other was against Dangerfield who didnt even attempt to disguise it.
Cripps is another, just clenches one fist and throws it with 2 hands. They’ve all just about got it down pat now.
Just do it automatically and shock, horror if the umps ever, on the very rare occasion pull them up. Then the next dozen are allowed.
 
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Very interesting post, Easy.

Also remember that the AFL almost invariably sign off on all contentious umpiring decisions. If they (almost) never admit to making mistakes how are they ever going to get any better?
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

 
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Im not sure that pic proves much, but throwing across the league is ridiculous. And of course of the 3 frees ive seen paid for throws 2 have been against us. The other was against Dangerfield who didnt even attempt to disguise it.
One against Hawkins who looked agahast.

There was one against Finlayson yesterday and he looked surprised too