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Midsy said:
Hi Midsy,
Cool.
You don't think Scotland will apply to join the EU if they have a referendum and decide to be independent?
The referendum in 2014 was really about two choices: Stay in the UK or become an independent Scotland.
If they have another referendum, there will be 3 choices: Sat in the UK, become an independent Scotland, or become and independent Scotland and join the EU.
My thoughts are that Nicola Sturgeon will wait until she is very confident that she will get it across the line as another referendum and another vote to stay in the UK will destroy her and maybe the SNP.
That's my two cents on Scottish politics for today
Chelsea said:Hi Midsy,
Cool.
You don't think Scotland will apply to join the EU if they have a referendum and decide to be independent?
The referendum in 2014 was really about two choices: Stay in the UK or become an independent Scotland.
If they have another referendum, there will be 3 choices: Sat in the UK, become an independent Scotland, or become and independent Scotland and join the EU.
My thoughts are that Nicola Sturgeon will wait until she is very confident that she will get it across the line as another referendum and another vote to stay in the UK will destroy her and maybe the SNP.
That's my two cents on Scottish politics for today
They don't really need a referendum on rejoining the EU since 68% in Scotland voted "Remain" Chelsea - they only need another ref. on leaving the UK - that will get across the line easily now.
Impressive media performer is Sturgeon. Even her name is strident. I'd follow her into battle. She should start sporting chain mail just to kick the whole vibe over the edge.
antman said:
I was under the impression that while 68% of Scotland voted to stay in the EU, these figures were purely part of the UK Brexit referendum and that for Scotland to join the EU, it would first have to have a referendum, become independent, then apply.
It has to satisfy the criteria in its own right to become a member of the EU and wouldn't get in purely because of the 68% vote.
Already there have been other EU nations against Scotland becoming a member as they fear referendums/independence claims in their own countries.
Spain and Catalonia an example.
Happy to stand corrected if I am wrong, it was just my understanding.
Chelsea said:
Your understanding of the Brexit referendum is correct.
If they leave the UK, they don't need another referendum to join the EU. They could have one if they chose to.
Opinions are divided on whether Scotland could actually remain in the EU as part of the Brexit withdrawal of the UK or whether they'd have to leave as part of the UK and rejoin as an independent nation. This all gets fairly complex pretty quickly though as you can imagine.
tigersnake said:
Due to the nature of the UK/Scotland devoultion she has a bit of a free hand. Many didn't like Julia Gillard but when she was deputy leader she performed far better than when there was much more at stake. Sturgeon is free to talk a big game, and does eloquently and frequently, but I do wonder if she would be quite as loose without the safety net?
KnightersRevenge said:
She has always wanted Independence and knows this is her biggest chance. To have the chance at another referendum 2 years after one on the same topic is like having all her Christmases delivered to her at once.
And many people who voted in the Stay camp last time are ready to say Yes this time.
Another Stay win though and that will be the end of that.
If you don't like the people's decision, just change the rules retrospectively...
Britain's High Court deals blow to UK Brexit hopes
Britain's High Court deals blow to UK Brexit hopes
The irony is that, by the time Brexit is actually enacted, enough Brexiters will have died from old age that the remain camp will be in the majority.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
No, it's because England has laws and government must operate within those laws. The High Court rules on existing laws, it doesn't write new ones.
What it actually means is that Parliament has to enact Article 50 - the government can't do it on its own. It does mean Parliament will have more say in the process though. Here's a better discussion of the process than the Hun"s.
Court ruling means act of parliament would be needed for Brexit, says May
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/theresa-may-concedes-triggering-article-50-will-need-act-of-parliament
Tagomi said:Whole Brexit thing's going totally great. You pro-Brexiters were right, Brexit is easy to arrange and there will be no negative ramifications whatsoever
Meanwhile Macron's globalist policies have brought peace and prosperity to France.
Tagomi said:
The average Frenchie has a carbon output one quarter of the average Australian's. And still they're being squeezed.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
typical rent a crowd dole bludgers. they should get a job, instead of rioting and looting innocent businesses.
Can’t get a job, minimum wage laws, taxes and regulations etc make France a very difficult place to run a business.Brodders17 said:
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