Saying I was getting rational and then going off on an irrational childish diatribe
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There are human beings involved in the things you mock.
Grow up
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There are human beings involved in the things you mock.
Grow up
We haven’t reached it yet.
All the social welfare programs that get funded by tax stem at their core from a large population which relies on cheap energy.
Natural gas turns into ammonia via smr which gets used as fertiliser to make crop yields higher. Ban natural gas and you starve people. Use green hydrogen and air separation to make ammonia and the price will go up by a factor of 5-10 and you starve People. The way of life we have will break eventually. (I would note there are examples of crop yield increasing with reduced fertiliser use through better farming practises)
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Simple question. What's so special about *smile* humans?
Just in case you missed it. Humans have been responsible for every single *smile* up on this planet since God, Allah, Buddha or whoever you feel like praising invented them. The only creature on the planet that has no built in limitations or controls of not only what they're capable of but also the desire to do whatever they decide they want to.
Yes I realise that I'm also somewhat human, but that's hardly a recommendation or something to be proud of.
You have completely missed the point. In your rush to be witty and edgy ( or whatever you call it ) you make comments about pretend wars and COVID *smile* but you forget that you are posting on a public forum.
Maybe there are people reading what you are saying who have relatives who have been killed in the “pretend wars” and they aren’t so pretend to them. As an aside a friend of my daughter has multiple family members in Gaza. I’m sure your quip would go down well with her.
What about those who worked as nurses or doctors or in the health system during COVID and saw the effect the COVID “*smile*” had on ordinary people? It wasn’t *smile* to them
What I mean by the human reference is that making inane quips about things that deeply affect people just isn’t funny.
As someone who was deeply involved during COVID your comment just makes me angry, it is so much bull *smile* and so disrespectful to so many people who worked incredibly hard and long to keep people safe.
From what I can gather from your posting over the years you're closer to the end of your life than the beginning. You say that humans are like a cancer on the world, don't deserve to exist when you've already enjoyed the best years of your life. Your posting shows a complete lack of empathy for younger generations who want to enjoy the best of theirs. To do this they're going to have to make sacrifices that your generation refused to do despite decades worth of warnings about fossil fuels ruining the environment. Pretty selfish take but not uncommon from a boomer.
I don’t want to speak for TM but we as humans by our actions do deem our life more valuable than that of other living organisms.
I think his point was more about that. Is a kangaroo / koala / tree / bush / sea life / bug that doesn’t exist and cows/chickens/pigs that die because the city of Melbourne does more valuable than the human lives that do? That is how we as humans spread in an unchecked manner (like a cancer does until it kills itself and its host)
We certainly have the awareness and emotion that we at least generally don’t think these creatures / plants don’t.
Yes and no. Its not like we haven't had the facts in front of us and time to digest them. So many extremely basic measures and policies that should not be hard, that are nowhere near signalling social collapse, the opposite in fact, are met by rigid, lazy vested interests with extreme opposition. Just one of many examples, housing. We have known how to build houses that use far less energy for 30 or 40 years, north-east orientation, flow through, insulation, all of these make life better, less expensive and are good for the planet. (don't get me started on shock-horror, living in houses far too large for our needs, thats Karl-Marx political nanny brigade gone mad). Yet any moves to begin, just begin, to regulate these are met with cries of Stalinism hippy nanny state etc by the building industry, and the government backpedals. And its mostly just because the building industry can't be stuffed changing how it does things.
Waste and recycling, far more can and should be done, nobody will get hurt, nobody will have to live in a cave as a result, but sweet FA. (thats everyone's fault, government, industry, consumers, everyone, its incredibly pathetic).
in good news, Here in Queensland we had an incredible outbreak of common sense recently, the state government jacked up the royalty rate for coal mines, from 2% to 8%. Very smart policy. These mines are still extremely profitable, it puts some measure of disincentive to mine coal, smart if you believe that coal is a problem, and nets big profits from non-renewable, polluting energy which the state are pouring into renewable energy. Yet we have relentless TV scare campaign ads peddling misinformation and screaming blue murder, have been running for months. By any rational analysis, by rational I mean climate change is real, this is smart policy. But you probably haven't heard about it, they are keeping it low profile when it should be showcased. Wonder why that is? (Sarcasm alert).
Yep I'm old.
Yep humans are like a cancer on the planet.
Cancers and humans exist whether they're entitled to or not is irrelevant. They simply do until they wipe out their host.
Really really old people had to make do the best they could during their lifetimes, same as reasonably old farts like me have been doing. Guess what, the young brigade of entitled snot noses can make do as best they can as well.
Funny thing about humans, over and over again they invent n create fantastic *smile* that is gunna move us another step closer to some sort of fancy human utopia. Yet over and over again, the *smile* we create that is oh so fancy *smile* good. Twenty, fifty a hundred years down the track turns out to be a rancid pile of crap that causes massive unforseen problems and damage to everything. And that's when they're not actually flat out trying to damage n destroy everything that gets in their way.
I reckon most younger people would think that its older generations who are the entitled snot noses who've enjoyed a terrific period of economic growth on the back of fossil fuel usage, which in turn is destroying the environment. Young people are the ones who are going to foot the bill for climate change, cleaning up the *smile* left to them by their forebears.
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This is what I find very frustrating.
It is so hard to find things without excessive packaging. I buy yoghurt and can't find one which isn't in a plastic container. Took me a while to find milk in returnable bottles. There is just so much waste in packaging. We never needed all this plastic wrapping things when I was a kid. You buy Pears soap in a box of 3 and inside each one is wrapped in plastic, totally unnecessary and wasn't the case years ago.
Before we even think about trying to recycle all the waste, and bearing in mind recycling uses a lot of energy, we need to stop over-packaging things.
On a brighter note there is a shop in Elwood that has little or no packaging, must check it out more, been in there once. The irony is that I remember a similar shop in Ormond Rd, in fact just across the road, back in the 1970s but it didn't last and it has taken 45 years for a similar replacement to appear.
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There is a reason the slogan goes- Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. In that order.
I wonder what % of these “most younger people” drive a petrol powered car, use electricity, use mobile phones, iPads, computers, gaming consoles etc, wear clothes, eat food harvested by diesel tractors and processed by electricity, enjoy air conditioning and heating, cold food and drinks, hot food and drinks, travel in planes, some have jet skis, boats and all the rest.
They can think what they like but I bet they still use and enjoy all those goodies the same as the older generations.
Mob of entitled hypocrites, they can spout what they like. But until they live “off the grid”, don’t use any fossil fuels, no wood fires, clothe themselves in natural fibres, wear straw shoes, don’t drive anything, walk everywhere, and don’t use any modern convenience, packaged food, only use and drink rainwater collected in handmade pottery, grow their own food from scratch, no plastic or metal implements etc they can gagf.
They have too many other major world concerns, lbgtiaqdcf issues, gender neutral, transhumanism and all the other *smile* they can think of.
*smile* me, where does it end. I think aliens landed and injected these life forms on us.
I'm all for activists blowing up oil company board meetings.
So unless you choose to live off grid and produce no carbon then you don’t really care about climate change? That’s a pretty lame excuse to do nothing about the problem and is a common climate-change denying trope. The reality is that individual action on climate change doesn’t change anything since most of the carbon produced isn’t attributable to consumers, rather several large corporations. We need government intervention to change our energy needs to 100% renewable which will cost a lot upfront to transition but will be far cheaper in the long run and allow us to maintain a high standard of living currently while minimising the harm done to the environment.
Coal will be all but gone by 2034 under Australia’s latest energy roadmap
Australia’s coal power stations will all close in 2038 – five years earlier than previously expected – and variable renewable energy capacity will need to triple by 2030 and increase sevenfold by 2050.
Coal will be all but gone by 2034 under Australia's latest energy roadmap
Every two years, we get an updated plan for the future of Australia’s main grid. Under the new plan, coal vanishes even faster.
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