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Supercells containing Tornadoes are not unique to the US Midwest. Australia does record a relatively robust number of tornadoes (within such storms) every year. SE QLD and northern NSW being one of the main areas to have conducive geography for such phenomena.

Obviously we don’t get anywhere near the number and average power of the infamously named, tornado ally in North America. But not as unusual as we like to think. And I suspect many possibly occur in less populated rural land across the region too, hence it not really being in our psyche.

That said, one would intuitively expect the number and strength of them may pick up as a result of climate change. Particularly in SE QLD and northern NSW.

I believe the number recorded in North America’s already very active tornado ally is showing evidence of increasing.

Have a friend on the Gold Coast, who has been there 20 years. Said it’s certainly the most intense storm she has witnessed there. Likely to not have power for another 6 days at her house. Said the house survived ok, but every yard around her house is entirely trashed. Probably need to relandscape the lot.


Queensland Beautiful one day Tornadoes the next.

I think I'll stay in soggy old Melbun
 
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Queensland Beautiful one day Tornadoes the next.

I think I'll stay in soggy old Melbun
Here in Hobart (as well as Perth) probably the best weather of the country.

But evidently it’s a human rights violation to make people play and watch footy without a roof in Hobart’s apparent Antarctic climate.
 
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Albo & Comrades did not advertise this did they !!.

Albo might have to start going overseas in a electric plane or a glider.
Might save the taxpayers a few $s as well. Sell off the the government car fleet and give all the pollies a Malvern Star pushbike to ride.
*smile* politicians, afl honchos and umpires. They can all gagf.
 
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And that is why climate change management is so hard. 1st world people don’t want to give up 1st world toys.
 
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Gotta admit though that Oz has been a dumping ground for lower tech higher pollution machines for years n years. Vehicle cost and non existent cleaner fuel costs have kept us way behind the best of the Euros. Euros are running 7 and looking at 8 in their clean emissions vehicles / machinery, cars trucks n earth moving. A hell of a lot of what we're running with as new is Euro 5 tech.
Got a feeling the cooks shopping trolley would be lucky to be running Euro 4 tech it's that old now. But considering it's only done about 35000 kliks in a dozen years and it's a tidy drive when I get lucky enough to do a couple of blockies, I'll be keeping it.
 
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And that is why climate change management is so hard. 1st world people don’t want to give up 1st world toys.
Some good posting on here RE.

Yes. I think this is what explains the CC denial, the anti-woke, trump etc phenomena. People don't want to know or don't care (both of which are linked of course), about the impact their first world lives are having. They just want their 8 litre Dodge Ram, and they don't want to feel guilty about it. Their response has to be 'I don't believe you' or 'I don't care', otherwise they have to sell it and radically change their lives.
 
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Some good posting on here RE.

Yes. I think this is what explains the CC denial, the anti-woke, trump etc phenomena. People don't want to know or don't care (both of which are linked of course), about the impact their first world lives are having. They just want their 8 litre Dodge Ram, and they don't want to feel guilty about it. Their response has to be 'I don't believe you' or 'I don't care', otherwise they have to sell it and radically change their lives.
Yep 2 billion people don't want to give up their fancy *smile* like Dodge Rams n aircon homes n hosptals, shopping malls, overseas holidays in fancy hotels while the other 6 billion people in the world would just love a taste of all the fancy *smile* that some people have.
Humanity's a bit like kangaroos n emus, can't go backwards n continuing to go forward is gunna see us hung up on the old barbed wire fence.
 
Here in Hobart (as well as Perth) probably the best weather of the country.

But evidently it’s a human rights violation to make people play and watch footy without a roof in Hobart’s apparent Antarctic climate.
I've worked in Hobart a bit. It does get bloody cold in Winter. One year I got into a punch on with a polar bear after a long session with a Russian ice breaking crew.
 
I've worked in Hobart a bit. It does get bloody cold in Winter. One year I got into a punch on with a polar bear after a long session with a Russian ice breaking crew.
I hear on the grapevine the AFL provided this photo, which is apparently from one of North Melbourne's games in Hobart, in order to formulate the list of demands/conditions for a Tasmanian AFL license.

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I find the conversations on flood insurance interesting. It’s tough but basically parts of the land we shouldn’t be building houses on. The insurance fees of $k50 in the media basically are saying we expect to be paying out every 10 years or so. Which means don’t have a house there. I find calls to push the cost down missing the actual issue completely.

Planning needs to be pretty strong about not allowing development in flood plains and then socialising the risk to every other taxpayer.

Relocation costs I’m sitting on the fence.

The areas impacted this way are going to grow over time.

 
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I find the conversations on flood insurance interesting. It’s tough but basically parts of the land we shouldn’t be building houses on. The insurance fees of $k50 in the media basically are saying we expect to be paying out every 10 years or so. Which means don’t have a house there. I find calls to push the cost down missing the actual issue completely.

Planning needs to be pretty strong about not allowing development in flood plains and then socialising the risk to every other taxpayer.

Relocation costs I’m sitting on the fence.

The areas impacted this way are going to grow over time.

I'm largely skeptical of insurance. I have it for my house, because the bank demands it and also partly because its not too expensive and just in case I decide to take up smoking durries in bed. I've been paying house insurance for 30 years, approx $1200pa. so $36K. In that time I've made one claim, a significant one, $20K for a new roof after damage from a massive hail storm in '16, so I'm $12K -odd down. I've always said you are mostly better off just keeping the dough and paying for repairs when they happen. A house fire is effectively a reverse tattslotto win, its competely fair enough people want to insure against that, people also buy tattslotto tickets.

I don't have comprehensive car insurance, I have third party property in case of hitting an Aston Martin. In 35 years I've had a couple of minor prangs that were my fault and paid out about $4K -odd to fix my car and in one case, minor damage to the other, so I'm $20K-odd up.

Thats just me though, I understand why people see it as a necessity. A guy I know has a beach house with his 2 brothers in a cyclone area. Insurance is $20K. He wants to drop it and take their chances (its been through 2 cyclones and survived with minor damage), but he is outnumbered.
 
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I find the conversations on flood insurance interesting. It’s tough but basically parts of the land we shouldn’t be building houses on. The insurance fees of $k50 in the media basically are saying we expect to be paying out every 10 years or so. Which means don’t have a house there. I find calls to push the cost down missing the actual issue completely.

Planning needs to be pretty strong about not allowing development in flood plains and then socialising the risk to every other taxpayer.

Relocation costs I’m sitting on the fence.

The areas impacted this way are going to grow over time.

A good question. Also at what point do taxpayers stop paying for infrastructure to be repaired & rebuilt in flood plains?
 
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I find the conversations on flood insurance interesting. It’s tough but basically parts of the land we shouldn’t be building houses on. The insurance fees of $k50 in the media basically are saying we expect to be paying out every 10 years or so. Which means don’t have a house there. I find calls to push the cost down missing the actual issue completely.

Planning needs to be pretty strong about not allowing development in flood plains and then socialising the risk to every other taxpayer.

Relocation costs I’m sitting on the fence.

The areas impacted this way are going to grow over time.

There has been some good research relating to sub division releases and corruption in both major parties on this. Traditionally the cycle would go a developer would buy up some 1 in 100 flood plain land, hire some ex-party insiders as lobbyists, both sides of course, as memory faded of any flood events they would inevitably get it re-zoned for subdivision and make a motza.

The fly in the ointment for that traditional model is that floods are bigger and happening more often now, so there is far more scrutiny. But having said that, because the cycle is often 10 or 15 years, there are still subdivisions coming online that happened under the traditional model, and also the housing crisis is a countervailing source of political pressure.

Something has to give.
 
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and also the housing crisis is a countervailing source of political pressure.

Something has to give.

My policy would be zero population growth. I.e. net immigration = death rate - birth rate

Imagine I’d last a day before a union knocked me off.
 
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My policy would be zero population growth. I.e. net immigration = death rate - birth rate

Imagine I’d last a day before a union knocked me off.
Wouldn't just be the unions, business wouldn't have a bar of it.

I'm not against it, but it would require radical restructuring of the economy. Capitalism relies on growth, in everything, except wilderness and social equality of course.

Capitalism has given a lot of us a great standard of living, but it is destroying the planet. We don't seem to be able to manage minor adjustments at the edges to help address climate change, or at least no where near fast enough, let alone substantial adjustments.
 
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