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Climate Change

Never gunna happen.
Channel surfed into a CGTN documentary a few weeks back that was discussing the worlds reliance on oil, not sure how old the show was and missed the start of the show, but it detailed the amount of different products ( OMG ) that were oil based and the quantity utilised per person world wide over their lifetimes. Numbers from old fart memory came out that the average was at around 30,000 kilos of oil per person per lifetime world wide. Said that the top modern westernised economies were running at up to 60,000 kilos per person, while China, still developing was around the 30,000 per person ( all 1.something billion of them ) then obviously lesser for other countries.
This was purely discussing only oil usage not gas or coal, and you need to realise that all the " still developing " countries world wide will all consume massive amounts more oil as they grow n try to catch up with all the fancy *smile* that the privileged part of the world already have.
Modern advantaged world can cut back as much as they like, it's never gunna keep up with the expansion of all those other countries desperately trying to play catch up.
Ahh but you don’t get to see views like this. So picturesque. Just imagine everywhere you drive, you and your family can see all this. You can count the turbines, count the solar panels. Then guess where they’ll dig a hole when their lifetime usage is up and they need replacing. After about 20 years, we will get new shiny ones

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Ahh but you don’t get to see views like this. So picturesque. Just imagine everywhere you drive, you and your family can see all this. You can count the turbines, count the solar panels. Then guess where they’ll dig a hole when their lifetime usage is up and they need replacing. After about 20 years, we will get new shiny ones

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Ask The LABOR hypocrites who allow supply of coal to china etc to make all these green power machines,while spruiking how great they are with emissions .
China produces something like 30-35 percent of the world emissions ,Australia produces something like 1 percent ,and China are building more coal power stations.
Ask the great climate warrior Bowen who's state Queensland has a high level of fossil fuel for it's power.
I would if Chris Bowen was a Tiger supporter posting on here. but as far as I am aware he isnt.

I can only assume you fit this category :
the typical argument goes something like climate change isnt real, but if it is it isnt influenced by humans, but if it is there is nothing we can do to change it, but if there is it is too hard/expensive, but if we are going to do anything it should include nuclear (nuclear must be simple and cheap?).

Just for the record, i do think the climate is changing. i do think humans are influencing that change. and i do think we can change that.
And no, i dont think nuclear is part of the answer.
 
Ask The LABOR hypocrites who allow supply of coal to china etc to make all these green power machines,while spruiking how great they are with emissions .
China produces something like 30-35 percent of the world emissions ,Australia produces something like 1 percent ,and China are building more coal power stations.
Ask the great climate warrior Bowen who's state Queensland has a high level of fossil fuel for it's power.
Haven’t you seen Greta Thunderbox, Flannery and Gore leading all the climate change protests in China.







Neither has anyone else. Gotta start with the .00001 % polluters first
 
Never gunna happen.
Channel surfed into a CGTN documentary a few weeks back that was discussing the worlds reliance on oil, not sure how old the show was and missed the start of the show, but it detailed the amount of different products ( OMG ) that were oil based and the quantity utilised per person world wide over their lifetimes. Numbers from old fart memory came out that the average was at around 30,000 kilos of oil per person per lifetime world wide. Said that the top modern westernised economies were running at up to 60,000 kilos per person, while China, still developing was around the 30,000 per person ( all 1.something billion of them ) then obviously lesser for other countries.
This was purely discussing only oil usage not gas or coal, and you need to realise that all the " still developing " countries world wide will all consume massive amounts more oil as they grow n try to catch up with all the fancy *smile* that the privileged part of the world already have.
Modern advantaged world can cut back as much as they like, it's never gunna keep up with the expansion of all those other countries desperately trying to play catch up.

Well, actually, the point you make about how many products are made out of oil is yet another reason why we need to stop wasting the stuff burning it in internal combustion engines or making disposable plastic bags.

Without plastics I wouldn't be typing on a laptop, I'd need a ridiculous amount of space to fit a computer. Just about everything we use these days involves plastic and plastic is made from oil.

We need to only use oil when there is no alternative.

DS
 
Haven’t you seen Greta Thunderbox, Flannery and Gore leading all the climate change protests in China.







Neither has anyone else. Gotta start with the .00001 % polluters first
I presume you are talking about Tuvalu there, as Australia is 1.06% of world emissions, which is higher than the UK and 16th in the world, and that doesn't take into account that we are a huge fossil fuel exporter.

Australia matters. We matter for our own emissions and we also matter because our exported fossil fuels form a big part of the fuel used in those countries who are closer to the top of the list than we are.

Carbon dioxide is needed for photosynthesis . . . ahh, yeah, the world is round too - relevance?

DS
 
Yeah, i was going to post some beautiful pics of the stations down Latrobe Valley way. it is a pity these new renewable power plants dont take the same effort to add to the local aesthetic as the lovely stations you have provided.
We just need to work out a way to put a plug in any and every volcano that there might be a chance they erupt

Probably have to fine those countries that have active volcanoes for all the pollutants spewing into the atmosphere.
The same for any country that has bushfires or wildfires.
And any country that has large scale deforestation

or do they just buy some carbon credits? Somehow that makes all the pollutants disappear.
 
I presume you are talking about Tuvalu there, as Australia is 1.06% of world emissions, which is higher than the UK and 16th in the world, and that doesn't take into account that we are a huge fossil fuel exporter.

Australia matters. We matter for our own emissions and we also matter because our exported fossil fuels form a big part of the fuel used in those countries who are closer to the top of the list than we are.

Carbon dioxide is needed for photosynthesis . . . ahh, yeah, the world is round too - relevance?

DS

So what.
As I stated, where are all the climate change protesters?
Why don’t the major polluters get taken to task. Paris Accords and such mean Jack *smile* when the major polluters do stuff all to reduce their carbon emissions. Probably increasing by the day.
Why, with just over 1% do we have to change our whole economy, lifestyle, standard of living? With what we produce it’s near negligible.
Im betting most of the PRE climate change cheerleaders still drive petrol or diesel cars, trucks or farm machinery, own petrol lawnmowers, use electricity from coal or gas power stations, use goods made fro plastics, steel and other metals. Fly in aeroplanes, go overseas or throughout Australia for holidays, wear nylon and synthetics,.

When people are totally independent of any fossil fuel, live off the grid, don't use wood fires, metal, plastic, synthetics come back to me and preach about climate change.



If you use or do any of the above when preaching about climate change you're part of the problem and a a bloody hypocrite.




In 2022, most of the world's fossil fuel carbon emissions came from coal (40 per cent), oil (32 per cent), natural gas (21 per cent), cement (5 per cent) and flaring and other smaller sources (2 per cent).

Just four regions accounted for about two-thirds of global fossil-fuel carbon emissions in 2021: China (31 per cent), the USA (14 per cent), the EU27; 7 per cent), and India (7 per cent).

Industrialised countries represent just 20 per cent of the world's population but account for 80 per cent of cumulative CO₂ emissions since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Australia is the world's 14th highest emitter, contributing just over 1 per cent of global emissions.
 
So what.
As I stated, where are all the climate change protesters?
Why don’t the major polluters get taken to task. Paris Accords and such mean Jack *smile* when the major polluters do stuff all to reduce their carbon emissions. Probably increasing by the day.
Why, with just over 1% do we have to change our whole economy, lifestyle, standard of living? With what we produce it’s near negligible.
Im betting most of the PRE climate change cheerleaders still drive petrol or diesel cars, trucks or farm machinery, own petrol lawnmowers, use electricity from coal or gas power stations, use goods made fro plastics, steel and other metals. Fly in aeroplanes, go overseas or throughout Australia for holidays, wear nylon and synthetics,.

When people are totally independent of any fossil fuel, live off the grid, don't use wood fires, metal, plastic, synthetics come back to me and preach about climate change.



If you use or do any of the above when preaching about climate change you're part of the problem and a a bloody hypocrite.




In 2022, most of the world's fossil fuel carbon emissions came from coal (40 per cent), oil (32 per cent), natural gas (21 per cent), cement (5 per cent) and flaring and other smaller sources (2 per cent).

Just four regions accounted for about two-thirds of global fossil-fuel carbon emissions in 2021: China (31 per cent), the USA (14 per cent), the EU27; 7 per cent), and India (7 per cent).

Industrialised countries represent just 20 per cent of the world's population but account for 80 per cent of cumulative CO₂ emissions since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Australia is the world's 14th highest emitter, contributing just over 1 per cent of global emissions.
Willo, will you answer this one, (Bengal wouldnt) do you think climate change is real? do you think humans impact climate change? and do you think humans should do anything to mitigate climate change?
 
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Willo, will you answer this one, (Bengal wouldnt) do you think climate change is real? do you think humans impact climate change? and do you think humans should do anything to mitigate climate change?
Climate change is real.
To what degree, I’m not sure.

There is evidence from scientists that use data to show that. But as as science says they don’t offer proof of anything.
Then there are other scientists who will use data to say climate change is “normal behaviour” for the planet. (Note inverted is my description)
I am somewhat caught in between.
I do think that human beings contribute, once again, how much. I’m not sure.
whether it’s all the pesky automobiles that we use that need changing over to ev’s. To me, that’s *smile*. To produce those ev’s, batteries etc! That won’t have the life of an internal combustion engine is false dichotomy.a(does that make sense) Better to have stricter emissions that can’t be cheated on. Annual checks and inspections. Any that fail ie too old, stuffed should be taken off the road and junked.

There are plenty of ways to reduce pollution and emissions. And yes, renewables are part of the solution. Even if it’s to prolong natural resources like fossil fuels for other uses.
Also nuclear is another option. I know it makes people nervous, even to consider the benefits. Not just for energy but it’s also necessary for medicinal purposes! Nuclear medicine. Idon’t envisage each and every nuclear plant is needed for that purpose.
But some people have been indoctrinated that nuclear is bad.

I even have 8.5kw of solar, a home battery and mMrs Willo drives a 4 cylinder car. Plus I drive a Falcon ute 😈


Once again to me, I believe it’s the overpopulation that is the major cause. The planet and its natural resources can’t sustain the ever burgeoning population.

We’re probably lucky than China and India aren’t full of fat bastards, otherwise planet earth would sink!


( If it was up to me, I’d plan for drastic action to reduce those massive populations but some people wouldn’t agree with my methods. Even I know they’d be drastic, so I won’t go into any detail. ☠️)
 
Climate change is real.
To what degree, I’m not sure.

There is evidence from scientists that use data to show that. But as as science says they don’t offer proof of anything.
Then there are other scientists who will use data to say climate change is “normal behaviour” for the planet. (Note inverted is my description)
I am somewhat caught in between.
I do think that human beings contribute, once again, how much. I’m not sure.
whether it’s all the pesky automobiles that we use that need changing over to ev’s. To me, that’s *smile*. To produce those ev’s, batteries etc! That won’t have the life of an internal combustion engine is false dichotomy.a(does that make sense) Better to have stricter emissions that can’t be cheated on. Annual checks and inspections. Any that fail ie too old, stuffed should be taken off the road and junked.

There are plenty of ways to reduce pollution and emissions. And yes, renewables are part of the solution. Even if it’s to prolong natural resources like fossil fuels for other uses.
Also nuclear is another option. I know it makes people nervous, even to consider the benefits. Not just for energy but it’s also necessary for medicinal purposes! Nuclear medicine. Idon’t envisage each and every nuclear plant is needed for that purpose.
But some people have been indoctrinated that nuclear is bad.

I even have 8.5kw of solar, a home battery and mMrs Willo drives a 4 cylinder car. Plus I drive a Falcon ute 😈


Once again to me, I believe it’s the overpopulation that is the major cause. The planet and its natural resources can’t sustain the ever burgeoning population.

We’re probably lucky than China and India aren’t full of fat bastards, otherwise planet earth would sink!


( If it was up to me, I’d plan for drastic action to reduce those massive populations but some people wouldn’t agree with my methods. Even I know they’d be drastic, so I won’t go into any detail. ☠️)

Are you advocating for a real life Purge? The yanks will be happy :)
 
Climate change is real.
To what degree, I’m not sure.

There is evidence from scientists that use data to show that. But as as science says they don’t offer proof of anything.
Then there are other scientists who will use data to say climate change is “normal behaviour” for the planet. (Note inverted is my description)
I am somewhat caught in between.
I do think that human beings contribute, once again, how much. I’m not sure.
whether it’s all the pesky automobiles that we use that need changing over to ev’s. To me, that’s *smile*. To produce those ev’s, batteries etc! That won’t have the life of an internal combustion engine is false dichotomy.a(does that make sense) Better to have stricter emissions that can’t be cheated on. Annual checks and inspections. Any that fail ie too old, stuffed should be taken off the road and junked.

There are plenty of ways to reduce pollution and emissions. And yes, renewables are part of the solution. Even if it’s to prolong natural resources like fossil fuels for other uses.
Also nuclear is another option. I know it makes people nervous, even to consider the benefits. Not just for energy but it’s also necessary for medicinal purposes! Nuclear medicine. Idon’t envisage each and every nuclear plant is needed for that purpose.
But some people have been indoctrinated that nuclear is bad.

I even have 8.5kw of solar, a home battery and mMrs Willo drives a 4 cylinder car. Plus I drive a Falcon ute 😈


Once again to me, I believe it’s the overpopulation that is the major cause. The planet and its natural resources can’t sustain the ever burgeoning population.

We’re probably lucky than China and India aren’t full of fat bastards, otherwise planet earth would sink!


( If it was up to me, I’d plan for drastic action to reduce those massive populations but some people wouldn’t agree with my methods. Even I know they’d be drastic, so I won’t go into any detail. ☠️)
Gotta give you credit Willos. You know a lot about climax warming.
 
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I really can't see how you could be "caught in the middle", whatever that means, on climate change.

We have an observed increase in temperatures.

We know that the Greenhouse effect exists, if it didn't our atmosphere would be like Mars and Earth would not support life.

We also know that the Greenhouse effect works because of greenhouse gases.

We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

If you alter the proportions of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere then the greenhouse effect has more or less warming effect. So, if you increase greenhouse gases such as CO2, methane etc then the greenhouse effect is heightened and the planet gets warmer.

We can see this on our other neighbouring planet, Venus, which has a hugely enhanced greenhouse effect and is incredibly hot.

We know that the increase in greenhouse gases is caused by human burning of fossil fuels as this adds a distinctive isotope of carbon into the atmosphere. This has been measured and the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is from the burning of fossil fuels.

None of the above is in dispute.

Population is an issue, but it isn't the main issue. The main issue is the emissions from the wealthy countries and now China, although a large proportion of China's emissions would be a direct result of producing products for the wealthy countries.

Hence, unless we want to take the huge risk of altering the climate we need to stop burning fossil fuels.

Electricity supply to households, factories etc is the clear first step as it is the easiest energy supply issue we can fix. The thing with fossil fuels is that they have a very high energy concentration which means a small amount of fuel unleashes a lot of energy, so, energy used for transport as an example is going to be a more difficult problem. Cars we can make progress on, planes are far more difficult, but energy used by a stationary consumer such as a house or factory is easier. So, we try to get this done first and keep working on better solutions for the harder problems.

Nuclear is not a solution. It requires fuel which will not last much longer, only 100 years at current levels of consumption according to the nuclear lobby, so less if consumed at a faster rate. Plus, it creates waste which is radioactive and toxic for twice as long as humans have existed, and there is no safe way to dispose of the waste. In any case, if there was an expansion of nuclear power to the point where Australia was to build reactors we would probably build one by about the time uranium runs out because it would take decades. Not going to happen here anyway. If, and this is unlikely, Australia reversed its policy on no nuclear power, you then have the issue of where to put a reactor and that would be a bunfight of mythic proportions. Not gonna happen, and a good thing to.

On the other hand, if you were looking to create a country which could be a major energy supplier to the world using renewables, you would create Australia. Heaps of land, heaps of coastline, stable government etc. If we don't take this opportunity we are insane.

DS
 
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( If it was up to me, I’d plan for drastic action to reduce those massive populations but some people wouldn’t agree with my methods. Even I know they’d be drastic, so I won’t go into any detail. ☠️)

Willo, one of the few who were cheering on Thanos
 
In Nata Botswana, where seasons once danced predictably, a calamity unfolds. Our three-month rainy season, from December to March, has betrayed us. The skies, once generous, now withhold their tears. This year, a mere week of rain, unprecedented, leaves our land cracked and crops withered. The wild ones suffer—the elephants roam parched, the antelope falter. Climate change whispers its ominous truth ?? maybe ?? Our world, once harmonious, now gasps for water.
 
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