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LeeToRainesToRoach

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A record 3100 covid deaths overnight in the US. Horrific.

I'm thankful for this country's socialist leanings when it comes to valuing the lives of its citizens and believe it makes us inherently better than "let it flow" nations.
 
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22nd Man

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Will be interesting what gets announced Sunday. Hopefully a lot more easing.

Would love them to allow more than 25% of office workers to attend the office for smaller office environments. For example I can have all staff attend my house, but we can’t all work together in the same office. I do understand that large scale office environments need the restrictions. So the change needs to be if there are under say 20 staff at the office you can attend work where you can reasonably maintain social distancing.

Also hoping that the public crowds outside get increased to 500. I want to do Parkrun again.
Were small offices also on the 25% cap? me and my staff of one are back. So are three in the other outfit that share our office. Shhhhhhhhh.

But our glorious DPt of health is not going to jepoardise the gains by returning to work prematurely. Friend of mine who played a big role in Hoteal Quarantine said earliest is March for them.

And another friend works for city of Melb told me they were upgrading their technology to improve work from home capability. The next day Mayor Capp is imploring all PRiVATE enterprise to return their workers ASAP to save the city from ruin.
 

MD Jazz

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So you agree the issue in Vic wasn't breaches in hotel quarantine, but a lack of other infrastructure and systems for mitigating the spread of the virus? Because that's the exact opposite of what you were crying at the time.

Then again, you've flipped all over the place throughout this pandemic, so I guess that tracks.

Yeh that’s what I said.

I urge you to watch the quarantine inquiry videos, helps to understand how Vic ended up where it did.

Over 800 people died due to a dysfunctional Vic government response.
 

Sintiger

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Yeh that’s what I said.

I urge you to watch the quarantine inquiry videos, helps to understand how Vic ended up where it did.

Over 800 people died due to a dysfunctional Vic government response.
I know people who have been and are involved MDJ and believe me the story is far wider and more complex than what was talked about at the inquiry. In fact much of the inquiry was a distraction as many are now realising because security guards were never the real issue. The main issue has always been what happened after those few people got COVID. The DHHS and therefore the Government by extension must accept responsibility for that.

However if we leave it at that and say that's why 800 people died we ignore one really big factor in why so many people died and that's the complete dysfunction of Private aged care in Australia and the role the hands off approach the regulator ( the federal Government) played in that sector being so under prepared for a pandemic. The fact that many more people didn't die in private aged care is because the state public sector and public hospitals bailed them out with staff, infection control systems and PPE.

If it wasn't for aged care the deaths in Victoria would have been way less than 800 and yes I know it wouldn't have mattered if COVID hadn't spread out of hotel quarantine in the first place but if we take that argument back further we can blame it on a pangolin.

The VIC Govt has to accept what they did wrong but if we get to the end of this and nothing has changed in private residential aged care then that's a big problem imo.
 
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DavidSSS

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People travelling from overseas to Melbourne again on Monday and quarantine in a pile of hotels spread around the CBD. Apparently none will be allowed outside their hotel rooms, I can only assume none are smokers or they will allow smoking in the rooms.

To be honest, locking people away in a small room they are not allowed to leave is an encouragement to break the rules. It will happen.

There is a very good reason why quarantine facilities have traditionally not been in the middle of the city. They have been islands, or the quarantine station at the end of Point Nepean. The point was always to keep the quarantined people away from everyone else, not bung them right in the middle of everyone.

I also suspect this will have the effect of people not wanting to go to the CBD.

I just can't see how this is the best option, somewhere just outside Melbourne would have a lot less risk.

DS
 
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Coburgtiger

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Yeh that’s what I said.

I urge you to watch the quarantine inquiry videos, helps to understand how Vic ended up where it did.

Over 800 people died due to a dysfunctional Vic government response.

As long as it was Dan Andrews fault it doesn't matter the logic you take to arrive there right?
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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To be honest, locking people away in a small room they are not allowed to leave is an encouragement to break the rules. It will happen.
A serious situation calls for serious measures. It’s time they employed serious penalties as a serious deterrent to breaking the rules. Start with the wandering Kraut pair.
 

Sintiger

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A serious situation calls for serious measures. It’s time they employed serious penalties as a serious deterrent to breaking the rules. Start with the wandering Kraut pair.
We should be blaming the NSW authorities for the overseas travellers going to Melbourne without isolating in Sydney.
The system being instituted from tomorrow in Melbourne is that every arriving traveller will be assessed then processed and physically transported to a quarantine hotel. Clearly if NSW had that system it has failed
 
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IanG

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Penny Wong on Insiders just now says the Federal Govt should establish a national quarantine facility as many here have suggested and indeed should have done it before now.
 
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pete and tys

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6 months ago...plenty of warning and time.
Cannot use cities. People will always break the rules.
All flights need to be direct to a regional location with a quarantine centre. Long over due.
Otherwise a return of lockdown almost certain.
 
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22nd Man

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I know people who have been and are involved MDJ and believe me the story is far wider and more complex than what was talked about at the inquiry. In fact much of the inquiry was a distraction as many are now realising because security guards were never the real issue. The main issue has always been what happened after those few people got COVID. The DHHS and therefore the Government by extension must accept responsibility for that.

However if we leave it at that and say that's why 800 people died we ignore one really big factor in why so many people died and that's the complete dysfunction of Private aged care in Australia and the role the hands off approach the regulator ( the federal Government) played in that sector being so under prepared for a pandemic. The fact that many more people didn't die in private aged care is because the state public sector and public hospitals bailed them out with staff, infection control systems and PPE.

If it wasn't for aged care the deaths in Victoria would have been way less than 800 and yes I know it wouldn't have mattered if COVID hadn't spread out of hotel quarantine in the first place but if we take that argument back further we can blame it on a pangolin.

The VIC Govt has to accept what they did wrong but if we get to the end of this and nothing has changed in private residential aged care then that's a big problem imo.
What is interesting is that there are vulnerable Victorians with COVId raging all around them and the government elected by those people says you aren't our responsibility. We won't "bail you out" because you backed the federal horse when you went into aged care.
Or equally bad that the support was turned back at the gates by the Feds saying this is our patch, stand back Dan.
 

Sintiger

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What is interesting is that there are vulnerable Victorians with COVId raging all around them and the government elected by those people says you aren't our responsibility. We won't "bail you out" because you backed the federal horse when you went into aged care.
Or equally bad that the support was turned back at the gates by the Feds saying this is our patch, stand back Dan.
sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.

If you are suggesting that the state Government didn't bail out or assist in private aged residential care that suggestion is not correct.
 

Ridley

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A serious situation calls for serious measures. It’s time they employed serious penalties as a serious deterrent to breaking the rules. Start with the wandering Kraut pair.
I can not fathom what has happened with these German “travelers”. What the *smile* is going on? Aren’t our borders closed to anyone but returning Australian residents? (Oh I guess Hollywood stars who want to make movies here get an exemption but that’s for another rant!).

It’s bad enough that they got to Victoria without quarantining in NSW but what the *smile* are they even doing here in the first place? Either the border is closed or it isn’t. What a *smile* joke.

We have come so far but I can not very optimistic that we will avoid another lockdown. The virus is cutting a swathe through Europe and we let in a couple of Germans without quarantine at the point of arrival. Now we are about to start another round of hotel quarantine locking up people in hotel rooms in the middle of a 5 million plus metropolis without any fresh air for 2 weeks. If we get through this with only minor infractions we will be very lucky.

I have no doubt the hotel quarantine program will be vastly better than last time (it could hardly be worse) but is this the best we could come up with?
 
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waiting

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I can not fathom what has happened with these German “travelers”. What the *smile* is going on? Aren’t our borders closed to anyone but returning Australian residents? (Oh I guess Hollywood stars who want to make movies here get an exemption but that’s for another rant!).

It’s bad enough that they got to Victoria without quarantining in NSW but what the *smile* are they even doing here in the first place? Either the border is closed or it isn’t. What a *smile* joke.

We have come so far but I can not very optimistic that we will avoid another lockdown. The virus is cutting a swathe through Europe and we let in a couple of Germans without quarantine at the point of arrival. Now we are about to start another round of hotel quarantine locking up people in hotel rooms in the middle of a 5 million plus metropolis without any fresh air for 2 weeks. If we get through this with only minor infractions we will be very lucky.

I have no doubt the hotel quarantine program will be vastly better than last time (it could hardly be worse) but is this the best we could come up with?
Dan Andrews trying hard not to blame NSW for this.
Whether they are returning travellers, residents, passport holders... end of the day there were returning travellers... Europe is burning... and without quarantining ( maybe they had/did ) but let’s hope this doesn’t start the nightmare again after 30 plus days of zero infections.

Let’s hope we get to the bottom of this and who was at fault.

Pretty disappointing if found that they had it, were not tested in NSW, lied to authorities to get back to Australia/Victoria ....
 
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Ridley

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Dan Andrews trying hard not to blame NSW for this.
Whether they are returning travellers, residents, passport holders... end of the day there were returning travellers... Europe is burning... and without quarantining ( maybe they had/did ) but let’s hope this doesn’t start the nightmare again after 30 plus days of zero infections.

Let’s hope we get to the bottom of this and who was at fault.

Pretty disappointing if found that they had it, were not tested in NSW, lied to authorities to get back to Australia/Victoria ....
On face value the fault lies with NSW. We are lucky Victorian authorities were on the ball and caught them at Melbourne airport. Thankfully they have returned initial negative test results.

But if they are not returning citizens why are they here in the first place?
 
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Sintiger

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On face value the fault lies with NSW. We are lucky Victorian authorities were on the ball and caught them at Melbourne airport. Thankfully they have returned initial negative test results.

But if they are not returning citizens why are they here in the first place?
They appear to be legitimate returning travellers but the nsw system has clearly failed
 
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Ridley

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They appear to be legitimate returning travellers but the nsw system has clearly failed
Can you please clarify Sin? I can’t find anything that confirms why they travelled to Australia? If they are returning citizens all good but if not why were they allowed to come? Everything I have read just calls them German travellers.
 
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Sintiger

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Can you please clarify Sin? I can’t find anything that confirms why they travelled to Australia? If they are returning citizens all good but if not why were they allowed to come? Everything I have read just calls them German travellers.
Quote from the Premier on Microsoft news

This is what Premier Daniel Andrews just said:

"I believe they are returned travellers. Whether they are citizens or permanents, I'm not certain, but they were returning, or at least availing themselves of an entitlement that they had. They are here lawfully. Beyond that, I can't speculate as to what motivated them to come or how recently they were here. Let's let New South Wales do their work and we can see what comes of that."
Coronavirus Australia live news: Border Force and NSW authorities under fire to explain how two international travellers evaded quarantine (msn.com)
 
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Ridley

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Quote from the Premier on Microsoft news

This is what Premier Daniel Andrews just said:

"I believe they are returned travellers. Whether they are citizens or permanents, I'm not certain, but they were returning, or at least availing themselves of an entitlement that they had. They are here lawfully. Beyond that, I can't speculate as to what motivated them to come or how recently they were here. Let's let New South Wales do their work and we can see what comes of that."
Coronavirus Australia live news: Border Force and NSW authorities under fire to explain how two international travellers evaded quarantine (msn.com)
Thanks Sin. That provides some clarification.
 
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