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Watching Tigers then was a great few hours away from covid.

Then I turn phone on.

Wow.
2 maybe 3 more schools down with covid (Vic)

Not good at all.
Been alerted to about 6 positives tonight.

Not good.
 


This is a positive that we are finally going with this technology. It will give us more scope to know what we are dealing with faster.
 
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Believe Vic has 1 under 20 new cases.
Not a good result.

NSW around the 100 mark.

111 is the rumour, just a rumour.
 
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Made this same argument to my socialist leaning friend calling the vaccine rollout a debacle. Got crickets.

by its very nature there is limited supply and although simplistic any vaccine that goes to one country doesn’t go to another one. So any country at higher risk than Australia is more likely to have deaths and the vaccine will save more lives there.

self interest still rules which is why we don’t have this debate - it’s like triage. And I’m happy for us to ramp up our country ASAP.
The vaccine rollout has been a debacle. The supply lines have been a mess, transparency a mess, information and communication a mess. Promises made of numbers of vaccines available have not been achieved.
That’s from someone who has been involved at the other end of that debacle.
The question of how high we should be on the world vaccine priority list is a totally different discussion and if that was the reason for our government’s performance in the vaccine rollout then it would be relevant but it’s not.
For the record I believe we should be doing all we can as a rich nation to ensure vaccines are rolled out in less developed nations including giving financial support to the WHO’s COVAX program.
 
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The vaccine rollout has been a debacle. The supply lines have been a mess, transparency a mess, information and communication a mess. Promises made of numbers of vaccines available have not been achieved.
That’s from someone who has been involved at the other end of that debacle.
The question of how high we should be on the world vaccine priority list is a totally different discussion and if that was the reason for our government’s performance in the vaccine rollout then it would be relevant but it’s not.
For the record I believe we should be doing all we can as a rich nation to ensure vaccines are rolled out in less developed nations including giving financial support to the WHO’s COVAX program.
With all respect there aren’t infinite resources so you can’t do everything. It’s a nice platitude that as a surface reaction I agreed with but it’s not realistic right now as it isn’t something you can do when supply is limited. We should let countries with excess supply help out why we get ourselves sorted out IMO. This is a few Months old but shows what is happening now where USA is donating to Indonesia (and not Australia) where the sinovax has failed. https://cdn.one.org/pdfs/C19-Vaccine-Supply-and-Demand-in-G7-Countries.pdf

Clearly prioritising higher risk countries is NOT the reason for our *smile* rollout. Without having followed it closely It seems Our excess AZ vaccines (due demand) already seem to be going to more needy locations.
 
I’m not saying you can’t criticise it. But if your purpose was to minimise global deaths then it would actually support tha

I work with Indonesians every work day and they would certainly not expect Australia to send all its vaccine stock to Indonesia. It's a *smile* argument based on a deliberate misunderstanding of "socialism".

What we definitely can do is help developing countries more while also looking after ourselves, but right wingers tend to dislike that. "charity begins at home" they cry.
 
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With all respect there aren’t infinite resources so you can’t do everything. It’s a nice platitude that as a surface reaction I agreed with but it’s not realistic right now as it isn’t something you can do when supply is limited. We should let countries with excess supply help out why we get ourselves sorted out IMO. This is a few Months old but shows what is happening now where USA is donating to Indonesia (and not Australia) where the sinovax has failed. https://cdn.one.org/pdfs/C19-Vaccine-Supply-and-Demand-in-G7-Countries.pdf

Clearly prioritising higher risk countries is NOT the reason for our *smile* rollout. Without having followed it closely It seems Our excess AZ vaccines (due demand) already seem to be going to more needy locations.
That’s not really the point I was making.
Promises of deliveries not kept, wrong amounts arriving, forward plans changed continuously, lack of clarity about priority groups, difference between words and actions in getting vaccines to aged care and disability care, confusing messaging to the public and health authorities.
This is what our vaccine rollout has been like. It’s been a total fiasco.
We have sent large numbers of vaccines to pacific island nations and to Indonesia but what we are sending is AZ because we have excess supply over demand.
 
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Does anyone know if we've stopped producing the AZ vaccine locally? If we have, or slowed down, it's not the right way. Until those manufacturing processes can manufacture a more attractive vaccine, we should still be producing AZ at maximum capacity. In lockdown times like these more people would see reason and get the AZ shot thus helping our overall vaccinated numbers, and any spares can be shipped out to countries in desperate need.
 
Does anyone know if we've stopped producing the AZ vaccine locally? If we have, or slowed down, it's not the right way. Until those manufacturing processes can manufacture a more attractive vaccine, we should still be producing AZ at maximum capacity. In lockdown times like these more people would see reason and get the AZ shot thus helping our overall vaccinated numbers, and any spares can be shipped out to countries in desperate need.
I'm not sure 100% but I do remember, I believe, they were going to continue to manufacture it to ship it to Indonesia to help them.
Beyond that thought I dont know
 
I'm not sure 100% but I do remember, I believe, they were going to continue to manufacture it to ship it to Indonesia to help them.
Beyond that thought I dont know
Found this.

 
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NSW government finally acknowledges the delta variant applies to them too. Still trying to spin it instead of just saying they *smile* up and are now course correcting.

journalist asked a good question if the advice today had already been given or if today was the first day it has been given. Wasn’t answered of course.
 
Seems like NSW haven't even looked at what failed to work in VIC's lockdowns last year.

We tried locking down just those North Melbourne apartments last year - it didn't work. So they announce, we will just shutdown a few LGA's (and they won't set up a ring of steel, so nothing will stop people moving).

Finally closing retail but its been too late.

Strange comments just hearing from Kerry Chant. VIC have been really clear with working environments (If you can work from home, you MUST do so). Kerry Chant says they are working with businesses to encourage more people to work from home.

Still don't appear to be going hard enough.
 
Agree. The reticence to just go hard is insane.

they say they want as short a lockdown as possible then continue to double down on wanting people to do the right things. Super risky. And basing it on lagged data and waiting to see effects of changes. It’s a recipe for stretching it out.
 
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This is 1 of the 1st times I've seen Kerry Chant in a full press conference and OMG the differences between her and Brett Sutton are massive. I'm so glad we've got Sutton, she provides me with no confidence that she knows what shes doing.
 
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