Yeah as David SSS said it's La Nina still renting in Australia. She won't go. Have to admit this winter has been the coldest and darkest since maybe 2008. London weather. Barely saw the sun.
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Thought I read somewhere , July or June or some month, was the coldest month on record since about 1945 ???
Anyway, I’m blaming Lavinia Nixon.
Here we go again. After the invermectin rush now we have termite from Twitter and Facebook claims.
It’s just a ludicrous proposition. If termites were doing this then co2 levels would have been rising since termites were a thing which I assume is a long long time. They are part of a cycle where they eat plants that have sequestered co2 then put it back out. I.e. net zero. Fossil fuels don’t have enough dinosaurs eating plants and decaying to fossils at the rate humans put it into the atmosphere. It’s basically a one way process.
Classic Twitter and Facebook bait where you present half of the information to make a point for the “researchers” out there. Invermectin did this by showing lower death rates where it was used but failing to mention that was because people stopped getting the worm infection they had previously.
I was in the oil industry. The whole premise of biofuels is the same. You grow plants that sequester co2 then you burn the oil that comes from them. Not quite net zero but can be 5-20% of the current emissions and actually zero if you use renewable energy to handle processing and transportation.
Even with that apparently the out part of the termites is one tenth of the human out. https://factcheck.afp.com/its-other...ly-one-tenth-carbon-dioxide-emissions-created Irrelevant though as you need to know where the co2 is coming from. Once the termites eat out an area they would die as they would have nothing to eat so it has to balance out over time.
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Science is neither Left nor Right TGM - it's a way of understanding the universe through creating models and hypotheses based on empirical observations - these must be falsifiable - so we can know that they are wrong if new empirical/experimental/observational data shows that. These models persist until they are falsified and replaced with models that better fit the observed empirical evidence.
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You clearly haven't lived here all that long, I remember winters being a fair bit colder when I was a kid, and the observations bear that out.
This winter got close to what was normal back in the 70s and 80s, but still was not as cold.
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Well I’ve lived here for 25 years plus. If that’s “not all that long” then fair enough. But anyway, you sound very old so I’ll bow in deference to your Melbourne weather experience.
Haha, although I have lived here for 48 years so I suppose a bit longer.
It really is actually noticeably warmer in Melbourne now than it used to be. Gradual change is noticeable after a few decades.
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Yeah, the summers weren't as hot pre-1983 or so. Ozone layer etc... Maybe been a teenager compared to a 50 year old hack changes your body.....who knows. There was no global warming at Waverley though.
Geez you’re almost as old as Ridley (he’s real old).
I could believe that it’s still warmer than say in the early 70’s or whatever. My point was that it’s been a bloody ordinary Winter in general terms compared to more recent ones.
Otherwise yes, whilst being no climate expert, the country seems to be getting warmer, more humid and more prone to radical shifts in rainfall. I remember as a kid spending Summer on Summer in Sydney. It was for the most part sunny, dry and very enjoyable (I like warm/dry weather…spend a lot of time in the AZ, Nevada and Cali deserts). But now, Sydney is a shocking place to be in Summer. Humid, overcast, heavy and frequent rain periods. Significantly different now. Feels like Hong Kong now and not the Sydney I used to know.
Still blaming Lavinia Nixon.
OK, if we must, then we must.
Source us the "fact" that in entire history of the planet a metre squared of CO2 "contributed" a total of 2 watts of energy. I'm guessing they mean per square metre of the earth's surface area - the amount of energy retained and released by CO2 - following the second law of thermodynamics after absorbing infrared radiation reflected from the earth's surface, which as you noted, was warmed by energy from the sun.
What's confusing me is the claim that the total amount of heat energy (2 watts) radiated as per the 2nd law by CO2 OVER THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET - not continuously - is 2 watts. First, how would you measure this over 4 billion years - probably less given we didn't have atmosphere for part of this 4 billion year period? Second, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has varied over time, as climate change deniers often point out - so again, how could this total amount of energy be measured or even estimated? I guess you could somehow do it with a model if you had enough data, but we know climate deniers don't like models.
Lastly, the energy total for CO2 seems a bit low - we know the sun provides around one kW/h per hour for every square metre of Earth during sunlight hours. Do you mean 2 W/h per hour maybe? The NASA figure I found in terms of heat energy imbalance (yes we know you dudes don't trust NASA) was 0.85 W/h per hour which doesn't sound much, but of course has a great cumulative effect over years.
Maybe just give us the source of this malarky so we can have a look for ourselves.
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.04% co2 effecting climate is like saying 3 cells in your body infected with the flu is going to kill you.
Models aren't science. Models are mathematics. Like all models the data you put in effects the data that comes out. Can you explain why every model except maybe the Russian one have been hopelessly wrong. Go back and watch the Al Gore movie, none of the explosive claims have come true.
The theory of special relativity is a model. The theory of general relativity is a model.
All of science is theory/models that best explain empirical observations or experimental results. All models/theories can be superceded or updated as new ways of gathering data become available.
Maybe go away and read some more around the philosophy of science.
Last time I looked the theory of relativity or any other REAL scientific theory has had a massive amount of debate to prove them correct.
"Climate Science" is not allowed to be debated and the people who believe it don't want to hear any alternative views...
I understand science just fine thanks. 1000's of scientists much much smarter than you and me think there is no climate crisis.
Oh, FFS stop parading your ignorance, as I pointed out earlier, a concentration of 0.00015% cyanide per Kg of a human body is enough to kill said human. This argument about the low concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is not only complete crap, it is also completely illogical as the lower the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere the less we have to pump into the atmosphere to make a difference. Unfortunately the logic of this eludes you.
I'm no that old, but I have lived in Melbourne since a young age.
You're right about the shifts in rainfall. El Nino contributed to the Millennium Drought and we were clamouring for water. Dams low, desal plant built in Victoria etc. Now we have a few years of La Nina and what used to be one in a hundred year floods have now happened a few times over a couple of years. Not only is it warmer, but more extremes. We had a winter which was around or just above average and the Northern Hemisphere were smashing temperature records.
It's a mess and we need to stop contributing to it.
DS
Another great example of "the science" 
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