Baron Samedi said:all this talk of "hype", being "overrated" and "letting him walk" is bizarre.
Cannot get it. At all. Madness.
Baron Samedi said:all this talk of "hype", being "overrated" and "letting him walk" is bizarre.
tigerman said:Shorty has improved this year and so have the Tigers, a bit of correlation i reckon.
I don't know why Robbo wouldn't include a couple of others, like Astbury for example.
BIG FOUR HAS BECOME THE BIG 10 AT RICHMOND
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
9 July 2018
There was Alex Rance, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt.
It’s time to add Dylan Grimes, Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Toby Nankervis, Kane Lambert and Daniel Rioli who would be all ranked elite in their positions.
Add an 11th, Jayden Short, if you’re fair dinkum about ranking the best small defenders. He is the player who has made the Tigers a better team this year. He had 25 disposals and 599m gained against Adelaide and is averaging 510m gained across the season, which ranks him fourth in the competition.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinson-gives-his-likes-and-dislikes-after-a-massive-round-16/news-story/f011672a2b64494790336a34223546b3
This is PRE afrer all.....Baron Samedi said:all this talk of "hype", being "overrated" and "letting him walk" is bizarre.
SCOOP said:Cannot get it. At all. Madness.
SCOOP said:Cannot get it. At all. Madness.
Tiger Pops said:in modern day statistic measures he is elite with meter gained. He probably isnt the best defender, he does not have to be with Rance, Dave, Grimes, Vlos around him. I dont know how this translates $$$ wise but should be about the 8th-12th on highest paid Tigers with that he has delivered to date.
Here is the dilemma with keeping the list happy, fitting a young improving premiership team under the salary cap.
The mandatory 3 delistings would have been tough had it not been for Hampson and Griff handing up the boots. We will probably loose a couple of VFL players (Lloyd, Miles-C Ellis- Bolton-Manadue??) who might look to play more senior elsewhere. First some more September excitement for both AFL and VFL teams and then a fascinating post season awaits.
tigersnake said:Madness? Letting one of the big 4 walk would be madness. Perspective. I like him, like him a lot actually, he playing very well, and I hope he stays, but all this talk of keeping him at all costs without any real consideration of the complex factors that could emerge, that''s madness. Actually that is not madness either, its just naive.
It would be an interesting exercise for anyone to go down our list and do a would you rather keep Short or Player x? Shorty might well be in our top 15 right now sure, but would you keep Short over Balta, CCJ, Bolton etc? And also would you keep Short on overs or Player x, say Broad, on unders? these things are complicated, very complicated. Its not as simple as 'he's playing well kepp at all costs'. It is that simple with bona fide stars of course. Players get hyped and their price goes up due to good form and being the type that is in favour or whatever, the media pack jump on board, (I mean Phillips in the half year AA squad over Cotchy? exhibit A). He's a good player, but thats what's happening IMO.
Baron Samedi said:no one is saying at all costs, snake. it'll end up being a little overs but he's a required player in a premiership unit. all prices go up.
you said you'd be happy to let him walk and that's the madness right there.
tigersnake said:Definately didn't say happy. All things being equal, I'd like to keep him and hope he satys, but all things are never equal. The point is very simple. I think he is the type of player who isn't that hard to replace, especially in comparison to many other players on our list, others seem to think he's irreplaceable. cie la vie. we'll see.
tigersnake said:IMO if things play out in certain ways, ie he asks too much and that means squeezing more important players out, that isn't letting him walk, and it's not idiotic.
Baron Samedi said:who steps up if we somehow idiotically let him walk?
So who knows what we're offering n what he's asking??tigersnake said:IMO if things play out in certain ways, ie he asks too much and that means squeezing more important players out, that isn't letting him walk, and it's not idiotic.