Disco08 said:I reckon it's their midfield making their defense look good to some extent. None of those guys are A graders IMO.
None of them are stars but one on one you rarely see them beaten. And they almost never lose their feet. Cruical in finals in particular.Disco08 said:I reckon it's their midfield making their defense look good to some extent. None of those guys are A graders IMO.
Yeah, ah well, it was probably dodgy groins that stuffed him. Slow and can't kick these days. Getting Foley back will help a lot. If Jacko could improve his decision making and disposal he could make a real difference too. We live in hope.If only Hislop could become the inside ball winning machine he was as an 18 year old playing VFL. He could release Cotchin who in turn could be extremely damaging in a slightly more outside role.
evo said:None of them are stars but one on one you rarely see them beaten. And they almost never lose their feet. Cruical in finals in particular.
Compare that to Moore, *smile*, Thursty etc who seem to get out hussled or lose their feet numerous times a game.
good thread. we look pretty good when compared player for playerDisco08 said:Sorry, split this out Scoop because I thought it might make for a good discussion especially given our rising midfield.
How far off do you think we are from reaching this sort of standard? I reckon Cotchin and Martin aren't far off being our version of Swan and Pendlebury - maybe 2 years. Deledio rejoining the midfield could push it a long quite quickly.
Swan - Martin
Pendlebury - Cotchin
Ball - Foley
Thomas - Deledio
Didak - Morton
Johnson - Edwards
Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams, Macaffer - Collins, Webberley, Contin, draftees.
Disco08 said:If only Hislop could become the inside ball winning machine he was as an 18 year old playing VFL. He could release Cotchin who in turn could be extremely damaging in a slightly more outside role.
Disco08 said:Yeah, we're really reliant on at least a couple of Astbury, Grimes, Gourdis and Rance making the grade.
You forgot Jolly who plays a vital part of their midfield dominance. Graham and co are no where near in the same class as Jolly. The only one who could become as dominant as Jolly in the years to come is Vickery.Disco08 said:Sorry, split this out Scoop because I thought it might make for a good discussion especially given our rising midfield.
How far off do you think we are from reaching this sort of standard? I reckon Cotchin and Martin aren't far off being our version of Swan and Pendlebury - maybe 2 years. Deledio rejoining the midfield could push it a long quite quickly.
Swan - Martin
Pendlebury - Cotchin
Ball - Foley
Thomas - Deledio
Didak - Morton
Johnson - Edwards
Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams, Macaffer - Collins, Webberley, Contin, draftees.
Disco08 said:Sorry, split this out Scoop because I thought it might make for a good discussion especially given our rising midfield.
How far off do you think we are from reaching this sort of standard? I reckon Cotchin and Martin aren't far off being our version of Swan and Pendlebury - maybe 2 years. Deledio rejoining the midfield could push it a long quite quickly.
Swan - Martin
Pendlebury - Cotchin
Ball - Foley
Thomas - Deledio
Didak - Morton
Johnson - Edwards
Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams, Macaffer - Collins, Webberley, Contin, draftees.
SCOOP said:No worries, good split.
Reckon we are miles off it. Deledio is set as a back flanker. He is slaying it there and I don't see him moving back. The Goddard mould is perfect for him and the role of a trouble shooter is fine for him. Foley is a question mark too come back. Cannot bank on him, he may make it back to his best but no sure thing.
Morton looks a long term wingman but he has to prove it. The biggest dropoff is the Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams group. They all look like being long term well rounded footballers. Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham are on the verge of being A grade. We have no one pushing into that bracket.
We need another 5-6 rolling through. And not Tuck, Jackson types. Well rounded types who can play inside and outside. We have nothing.
Martin, Cotchin are fair calls. They will be our rolls royces but at the moment they are driving with 1992 Ford Falcons.
Agree entirely.SCOOP said:The biggest dropoff is the Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams group. They all look like being long term well rounded footballers. Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham are on the verge of being A grade. We have no one pushing into that bracket..
SCOOP said:No worries, good split.
Reckon we are miles off it. Deledio is set as a back flanker. He is slaying it there and I don't see him moving back. The Goddard mould is perfect for him and the role of a trouble shooter is fine for him. Foley is a question mark too come back. Cannot bank on him, he may make it back to his best but no sure thing.
Morton looks a long term wingman but he has to prove it. The biggest dropoff is the Sidebottom, Blair, Wellingham, Beams group. They all look like being long term well rounded footballers. Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham are on the verge of being A grade. We have no one pushing into that bracket.
We need another 5-6 rolling through. And not Tuck, Jackson types. Well rounded types who can play inside and outside. We have nothing.
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:Why are we comparing with Collingwood?
You can plan your game down to a tee when you know your getting 18 games at the same ground each year.
A fairer comparison would be with the side who has the BEST midfeild in the Comp..Geelong