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T-Shirt Tommy

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“I am a huge advocate not just for gender equality issues but all equity issues and inclusion of all people. I said to Gillon McLachlan that I will be using this platform to promote those equity issues every single chance I get because it is so important to do more. We have got to be better. It is as much about being a female president as it is being president of the mighty Melbourne Dees."

- new Melbourne president Kate Roffey

I'm sure those are the words every long-suffering Melbourne fan wanted to hear.

Good to hear that she's got her priorities straight.

She does realise that she's president of a football club?
 

The_Celebrant

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I am a huge advocate not just for gender equality issues but all equity issues
Note the sleight of hand from 'equality' to 'equity'. This is full on woke-speak.

'Equality of opportunity' is totally uncontroversial, and pretty much accepted by all of us, but 'equity' in this context means 'equality of outcomes', which is completely at odds with ideas of competition and merit.

So I guess selection in their seniors will now be shared equally amongst the overall list, and all efforts must be made to ensure each match finishes in a draw.

As an aside, if you haven't heard of the 'long march through the institutions', Google it.
 

mrposhman

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Note the sleight of hand from 'equality' to 'equity'. This is full on woke-speak.

'Equality of opportunity' is totally uncontroversial, and pretty much accepted by all of us, but 'equity' in this context means 'equality of outcomes', which is completely at odds with ideas of competition and merit.

So I guess selection in their seniors will now be shared equally amongst the overall list, and all efforts must be made to ensure each match finishes in a draw.

As an aside, if you haven't heard of the 'long march through the institutions', Google it.
Is she going to present participation trophies after the ANZAC Eve game on Saturday?
 
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TigerMasochist

Walks softly carries a big stick.
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Note the sleight of hand from 'equality' to 'equity'. This is full on woke-speak.

'Equality of opportunity' is totally uncontroversial, and pretty much accepted by all of us, but 'equity' in this context means 'equality of outcomes', which is completely at odds with ideas of competition and merit.

So I guess selection in their seniors will now be shared equally amongst the overall list, and all efforts must be made to ensure each match finishes in a draw.

As an aside, if you haven't heard of the 'long march through the institutions', Google it.
Wonder if that means daisy n a few of the other girls will be lining up to replace a few of the under performing boys in future weeks. Surely their new Prez is full on for gender equality.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Avg Age Adjusted = excluding substitutes who didn't actually play

ClubAvg AgeAvg Age AdjustedAge RankLadderDiff
Geel27.3227.501st8th-7
Rich26.9427.042nd5th-3
W.C.26.6026.673rd6th-3
Coll26.4626.554th16th-12
Haw25.9425.915th17th-12
P.A.25.8525.866th4th+2
Carl25.7725.827th11th-4
Bris25.7125.808th10th-2
W.B.25.6525.699th1st+8
Melb25.1825.2410th2nd+8
St.K25.0425.0311th13th-2
GWS24.7624.8512th12th-
Frem24.7824.8113th9th+4
Adel24.5524.5814th7th+7
Syd24.4524.5215th3rd+12
G.C.24.4724.5116th15th+1
Ess24.4024.3217th14th+3
N.M.24.1924.1918th18th-

Younger clubs have jumped up while Collingwood and Hawthorn have gone off the cliff. Older teams have still won 56% of games, compared with 51% to the same stage in 5 of the past 7 seasons (including 2017-19-20). Older teams have typically won 60-70% of games from this point forward in the last decade (2016 the outlier with 56%).
 
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Jonesracing82

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Note the sleight of hand from 'equality' to 'equity'. This is full on woke-speak.

'Equality of opportunity' is totally uncontroversial, and pretty much accepted by all of us, but 'equity' in this context means 'equality of outcomes', which is completely at odds with ideas of competition and merit.

So I guess selection in their seniors will now be shared equally amongst the overall list, and all efforts must be made to ensure each match finishes in a draw.

As an aside, if you haven't heard of the 'long march through the institutions', Google it.
Just waiting on the participation awards ceremony too
 
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TrialByVideo

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John Worsfold to Carlton as a mentor for Teague. ...... for a bloke who never talked much he can sure talk himself into a job!
 

Ian4

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Is she somehow related to the goal umpire with the nice arse? Chelsea?? :peepwall

Knowledge, skill, talent, conviction, application, appetite for the role, should always be the precursors for any role. Not whether it's female or male or we need to " equalise " just because it's not fair otherwise.

Kate Roffey is an incredibly experienced sports administrator. She’s worked overseas (premier league and NFL) and in Australia in various sports. She is also the real brains behind Western United in the A-league and Wyndham Stadium. There probably isn’t a more qualified and skilled person to be president of an AFL club. I wish she followed Richmond.
 
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tigersnake

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Note the sleight of hand from 'equality' to 'equity'. This is full on woke-speak.

'Equality of opportunity' is totally uncontroversial, and pretty much accepted by all of us, but 'equity' in this context means 'equality of outcomes', which is completely at odds with ideas of competition and merit.

So I guess selection in their seniors will now be shared equally amongst the overall list, and all efforts must be made to ensure each match finishes in a draw.

As an aside, if you haven't heard of the 'long march through the institutions', Google it.

What a load of horseshit
 
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TigerMasochist

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John Worsfold to Carlton as a mentor for Teague. ...... for a bloke who never talked much he can sure talk himself into a job!
Heard this on tonight's news. Teaguey mentioned that he was having some in depth mentoring type discussions with Woosha while in the hub last year.
Might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Woosha was still sorta almost coaching Essendrugs last year.
Essendrugs n Carlscum both pretty crap last year, both still pretty crap this year. Common denominator, Woosha had a sneaky finger in both pies n probably contaminated them both.
 

Ian4

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Why? Are our mob doing something wrong or not to your liking these last few years?

lol, i have been pretty vocal on my feelings about the board for many years. Not so much the performance of the board (obviously), but the way it is structured. anyway, I have been over this many times. i don't really wanna go over it again as I am sick of sounding like a broken record. There are plenty of posts you can go back and read on if you wanna know my view. All I way say is that when we are *smile* again and we are unable to remove anyone for incompetence, people will then come to regret the way Peggy and co have set up the structure. And I will say I told you so. But lets hope that is a long, long way away.
 
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fastin bulbous

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lol, i have been pretty vocal on my feelings about the board for many years. Not so much the performance of the board (obviously), but the way it is structured. anyway, I have been over this many times. i don't really wanna go over it again as I am sick of sounding like a broken record. There are plenty of posts you can go back and read on if you wanna know my view. All I way say is that when we are *smile* again and we are unable to remove anyone for incompetence, people will then come to regret the way Peggy and co have set up the structure. And I will say I told you so. But lets hope that is a long, long way away.
I respect you POV Ian. I have worked for an organisation with true and active governance for a long time. A new member elected board every year (often retaining former members). Elections can be stressful and poor decisions on board members really effect the day to day and can make it hellish at times but... when people work together and trust each other it really works. What do we want? A democracy or the appearance of a democracy? I like the haphazard true kind but am also mindful of how destructive rampant populism can be. It’s hard to fault our board but I agree with the sentiment of your post.
 
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TigerMasochist

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lol, i have been pretty vocal on my feelings about the board for many years. Not so much the performance of the board (obviously), but the way it is structured. anyway, I have been over this many times. i don't really wanna go over it again as I am sick of sounding like a broken record. There are plenty of posts you can go back and read on if you wanna know my view. All I way say is that when we are *smile* again and we are unable to remove anyone for incompetence, people will then come to regret the way Peggy and co have set up the structure. And I will say I told you so. But lets hope that is a long, long way away.
Seem to recall we spent thirty odd years constantly removing people for deemed incompetence n pretty sure all that got us was broke and a laughing stock. Also fairly sure that there was plenty around that wanted to remove the current board not that long ago as they deemed them incompetent and were desperate to replace them with another mob who showed themselves to be desperately incompetent before they'd even managed to mount a proper challenge.

Just out of idle curiosity. Hows that mob running " Victory " going at the moment? Seem to be doing a sterling job of destroying what was once a premium club. You don't happen to have any background say in the running of that mob by any chance :))?
 

AngryAnt

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I respect you POV Ian. I have worked for an organisation with true and active governance for a long time. A new member elected board every year (often retaining former members). Elections can be stressful and poor decisions on board members really effect the day to day and can make it hellish at times but... when people work together and trust each other it really works. What do we want? A democracy or the appearance of a democracy? I like the haphazard true kind but am also mindful of how destructive rampant populism can be. It’s hard to fault our board but I agree with the sentiment of your post.

yeah, although it's all worked out well for us, agree that the board restructure and appointments has been about minimising input from rank and file members. Maybe this is the way we have to go, but it's not that democratic.
 
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Redford

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Shut up Fagan. Banging on about the game being too long just because his game went 137. Wants to shorten it. That game had reasons for going so long eg injuries and such.

Meanwhile other games all went shorter. Some considerably so. One was 118 and two were 119.

Just shut up Fagan you AFL suck. 20 minute quarters are fine.
 
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