They seem to be much better balanced now. Will be interesting to see them this year
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They do, and Carlton should improve and make finals, but with all those well paid flankers they must either have some back ended contracts or brown paper bags because there are a lot of players there who seem to be on very good coin.
DS
We have a lot of players on very good coin too.
I dont think there is anything suspicious.
Without team success there wouldnt be many drafted blues with big payrises (likely to change tho).
Just think of Carltons midfield - Cripps$$$, Walsh (junior so lower $) matt kennedy Newnes and then last year Cerra Hewitt
Not in the same pay bracket as 2018-2020 Cotch Prestia Shedda and Duz
Yes to give them run out of the backline now that Williams is out for the year.
They over paid on Williams cos they thought he would be a midfielder based on little evidence.
They over paid Martin cos they tried to out smart the Suns, and others, by getting him in the PSD rather than trading for him- he then put a big $$$ amount on his head so other teams wouldnt touch him.
I think their list manager at the time thought he could out-smart everyone else.
That was just a line from the HUN noting that since Williams is out for the season and the experienced Markov is training at Collingwood and available as an SSP that…..
It's the degree you overpay and then you need to have people at your club who go "nop, price too high."
The only one I think we overplayed is Yarran. Grigg and Holui were promised game time, they are the list builders you want. You never make your list off the back of free agents, you draft your core, build a list and then add the pieces that are hard to get like key forwards or gun onballers. Williams and Martin were neither.
Two rules of list building that never steer you wrong;
1) Flankers don't become mids
2) Don't overpay B graders at other clubs and expect them to become A graders at yours.
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I think Carlton will push for top 4 unfortunately. They have a very well-balanced squad. If they go on to win a flag in the coming years, they will look at 2022 as the learning curve/tipping point they had to suffer through to build their resilience.
What did you think of Bachar Houli when we recruited him? Did you think he was AA material?
Yeah, Williams played a great game as a midfielder in the 2019 prelim against the Pies which was enough to convince many that he was a midfielder that was squeezed out of the rotation by the glut of onballers the Giants had.
Turned out to be a false prophecy.
Not at all. And I don't think the club did either. They weren't looking for a AA, they were rightly looking for core footballers, and players to improve the group. Players 8-15 in your starting 18.
But we didn't pay him to be AA. We paid him a fair price and offered him game time as a back flanker. You will strike gold sticking to the rules I stated but it's not the norm.
Tommy's Browneye was burbling the same possible scenario on 7 news tonight. Maybe he gets all his exclusive goss by reading the Murdochracy first thing in the morning.
I am not particularly suspicious, but I still reckon they have overpaid for flankers, and that has to hurt elsewhere.
We'll see what happens, they should have made finals last year, if they don't make it this year then that is a massive fail.
DS
He is getting paid $850k a year and will have played roughly 20 games in 3 years
following the McGovern model
The contract talk for the next contract must be depressing.
At least for mcgovern it would be a short chat
6 year contract and he is only 1/3 rd in at 28 years of age there wont be another contract for Williams
hopefully McNuggets has a great year and gets another big contract from them before going back to his crap self again in 2024
I guess age becomes a factor for Williams. He'll take 2 years to return to his best, by which time he'll be 30. And on the way to losing the zip that elevated him.
Going to need a very disciplined recovery, lets see what he has in him.
On mcgov im plumping for a real middling season. Maybe 12 games with a couple of decent showings against gold coast and the dogs.
Making it a wasted trade but not clear what to do next
