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Pick 29: Shai Bolton

Carter

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Do we just trade out everyone over 25?
Start afresh?
Its the same logic.
Move on Short and DRio and all the rest. Even if we only get 4th rounders for Young and Mcintosh we will have a super draft hand.
Hey it worked for GWS and GCS

My sarcasm detector is pinging but no, I would not subscribe to this strategy.

Dan Rioli is an untouchable for me for a start. Wonderful player, offers more than Bolton in setting an on field example. IMO




(and isn’t worth as much)
 

Carter

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Icing on the cake player for me. Will take a team from very good to great but you cant do a rebuild of substance around players who wont or cant consistently run both ways and do the hard, unglamorous stuff.

This is kinda what I’ve been getting at with Bolton.

He’s not a rebuild pillar. Not for me, anyway.

If we aren’t generating first and second possession often enough, Bolton’s third possession game suffers.

Then he disengages, then he lairises when he DOES get the pill.

He belongs in September and a mutually beneficial trade stares us in the face this year or next.
 
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momentai

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We’d already bottomed out to get Cotchin and Martin, Aces. Only way to get ‘em.

We’re further back than we were even in 2010. By the end of 2010 we’d recruited Cotch and Dusty in consecutive years.

So we need draft capital. Fast, before Tassie gets most of it. Otherwise the door is shut on our next elite midfield.

Prime time Bolton is stuck out of sync now in a mediocre team. The only efficient way we pave the way for the next flag is to make hay from a Bolton trade.

The chances of shooting the lights out again with rookie and peripheral picks like we did with Lambert, Grigg etc are pretty remote.

Sure, we’ll get some right, but we also need a strong top end injection this draft, no time to waste.

Remember there’s no guarantee we’ll pick up a Dusty-like messiah at the top end either.

If we just kept Bolton and sit on our hands we might get a pick 7 or 8 this year, the same next year, then perhaps be pushed out of the top ten by Tassie? That’s a mediocre result for a team steadily sinking into no man’s land. We aren’t building a contending midfield like that.

Far better to triple our chances this year by adding a couple of high picks in an uncompromised draft. Attack the top five picks.

No one wants to see Bolton go, I’m a fan too. But he’s our ticket to the next gen before Tassie gets involved and that’s where our focus should be.
Well said. Hard to disagree but he is my favourite and has been since ‘17.
You would be deflating team belief and his closest friends also.
Perhaps too sentimental but it is a no for me.
Unless maybe if he initiated.
On further reflection.. no thanks.☺️
 
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Is Shai a top 10 player in the comp?

Is he an untouchable?

What is his value on the open market?

Would he be worth two high first round draft picks?

I'd like to see the answers to these questions.
 
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tigerdell

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This is kinda what I’ve been getting at with Bolton.

He’s not a rebuild pillar. Not for me, anyway.

If we aren’t generating first and second possession often enough, Bolton’s third possession game suffers.

Then he disengages, then he lairises when he DOES get the pill.

He belongs in September and a mutually beneficial trade stares us in the face this year or next.
What is a rebuild pillar?
Actually I understand what it is but looking deeper is it really just a crock?
Someone to build a team around.
Someone with high values and leadership.
Someone to drive the team forward to high performance.
Yada yada.

But teams need all players from full forwards to full backs.
Clubs dont build teams from the inside out but pick the pieces needed as available. If youve got the cream then pick the salt of the earth type.
Rebuild pillars? Nah
 

Carter

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Is Shai a top 10 player in the comp?

Is he an untouchable?

What is his value on the open market?

Would he be worth two high first round draft picks?

I'd like to see the answers to these questions.

Our general calculations tend to err on the conservative side.

“nah he isn’t top ten in the comp”

“we’d never get two high first rounders”

But then situations arise quickly. A Fremantle. finding itself right on the edge of the top four and a home qualifying final in 2024, might cobble together the “farm” we would be asking for. For example. (they have the magpies first I believe)

We’ve seen it play out before.
 

Carter

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I see that Fremantle might have three first rounders, including Collingwood’s and Port’s? (could be wrong)

The plot thickens…
 

Carter

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Would anyone accept 5,14,17 for Bolton?

I would. Dunno if they’d offer that though.
 
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Would anyone accept 5,14,17 for Bolton?

I would. Dunno if they’d offer that though.
I would take it and run as fast as I can...
That's just about as big a draft haul for 1 player as there has been...
Judd was what...
2 and 20 plus Kennedy (who was a former pick 5?, but hadn't shown a great deal at that point).
 

Feeling Tigerish

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Would anyone accept 5,14,17 for Bolton?

I would. Dunno if they’d offer that though.
I would take that in a heartbeat. As good as Bolton is, he’s a cherry on top type of player, for where our list is right now, we need top end draft picks, and lots of them
 

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Would anyone accept 5,14,17 for Bolton?

I would. Dunno if they’d offer that though.

Would you trade Bolton for Reece Conca, Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis? (picks 6, 12 and 12).

I used to play in a weekly 500 game against another pair of mates.

They would always overbid me with stupid hands, desperate to get a look at the Kitty. Then they would pick it up, and act all surprised and sulky.

"The kitty screwed me! I would have won 10 no trumps if there had been a joker and two aces in there."

I asked once why they always did that.

"If I go out backwards on a loss, then technically you didn't win."

Anyway, I used to win a lot of games of 500.

The lure of the mystery box is strong.
 
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Carter

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Would you trade Bolton for Reece Conca, Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis? (picks 6, 12 and 12).

I used to play in a weekly 500 game against another pair of mates.

They would always overbid me with stupid hands, desperate to get a look at the Kitty. Then they would pick it up, and act all surprised and sulky.

"The kitty screwed me! I would have won 10 no trumps if there had been a joker and two aces in there."

I asked once why they always did that.

"If I go out backwards on a loss, then technically you didn't win."

Anyway, I used to win a lot of games of 500.

The lure of the mystery box is strong.

Ha ha the mystery box indeed

Well all of this is predicated on having a half-competent recruiter of course.

Plus we’d need a little sprinkling of the magic that prevented Melbourne from picking Dusty at pick 1 or 2.

But combined with the other picks we would have, it’s a shotgun blast at a barn door.

What could it be in the end?

3 (ours)
5 (Freo for Bolton)
14 (Freo for Bolton)
17 (Freo for Bolton)
19 (WC for Baker)
22 (ours)

That’s not taking into account our many lower picks we can trade up

You can’t miss all of those. If we only nail half that’s still three 200 gamers. With a good chance at finding the elite midfield pair we need.

Next gen is there if we want it.
 
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Carter

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BTW I know all this conjecture is bold and fanciful at this point.

My logic is purely based on the fact that -

1) our senior midfield is folding like a pack of cards
2) our young midfielders have not emerged as yet and are unproven
3) as noted in the other thread, Tasmania looms

Through a cold business lens there are many benefits to a Bolton trade this year or next, not least of which is there appears to be the perfect suitor sitting over there in the west.

A wannabe contender with three first rounders.
 
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Little Ziggyadee

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After 1 poor game we want Bolton Traded.
We are Fked.
Balta
Bolton
Vaulstin
Are keeper's the rest trade.

At least non of our players will be on Tassie wish list