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Pick 29: Shai Bolton
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Come on, you’ve erred on the emotive side throughout the debate and I have no wish to go there.
I rate Bolton extremely highly, he’s our best player and thus has the most currency.
I love watching him play for us but I love winning flags more. What I am proposing is a way to avoid the swamp we are about to enter, results wise.
He is not cream. I agree with your premise, but it doesn't apply to Bolton. He's a gamebreaker, a superstar, a franchise player. He does it all.
And as I said a while back, if we had no picks, you may have a point, but we have a good draft hand without doing anything. A few deft trades and upgrades and a good hand becomes an excellent one. And another thing, we have a few good young players already on the list.
In short, he's a franchise player, and we don't need to trade him. The AFL equalisation policies, and Blair, will do their thing.
Of course I rate him. He’s a sublime player. But I don’t think he’s an on-field leader in the same vein as a Daniel Rioli or a Liam Baker.
I think he’s red hot on the trade table and could change a contending club’s fortunes whilst giving us a fresh start.
Sounds like he’s bound for a full time midfield role after Yze’s post game comments. Good idea until the troops return.
I don't believe that trading him gets us closer to a flag.
It's not the recipe we used for our last dynasty either.
I don't think you can pretend you've been anything other than emotive either. It's not cold, calculating, ruthlessness just to go the nuclear option every time a season starts to go south. It's a different kind of emotive.
I admit, romance, loyalty and fondness of Richmond players play a large part in my thoughts about football, on game day, and in reflection or analysis. But, you probably need to consider your tendency to stare at an empty bath and wonder why there is a baby crying outside.
I get the argument and I respect it. I just think our list needs more than the natural growth we are likely to see, even with the competition’s in-built buoyancy for lower finishing teams.
Blair and Clarkes pick harvesting in the 23 draft has already given us a jump on natural growth and regulation early picks we will get. Some good players will be traded to give us a bigger jump.
I dunno if he can be effective over four quarters in there, like Dusty he’s not really that coal face type of player.
If we do it and he knocks up a few clearances (like he absolutely can) the oppo will inevitably counter.
I don’t think he’s got that gritty Oliver like ability to just keep mucking in.
In other words he’s not a genuine mid, he’s a mid-forward user. This goes into my assessment of his worth to us as a poor team. A poor team not giving him the chance to get on the end of it.
What he’s really, really good at won’t be executed much at Richmond in coming years.
Yes Bolton and Baker are both leaders at this point in their careers but surely you’re not suggesting that they are shouldering the lion’s share of standard setting around the club?
Do you really think that without them the other players would be ‘left with an emptiness that can’t be replaced’.
This comes across more like fan talk then a reflection of reality. (No offence intended; you’re entitled to your point of view)
The club has come a long way and I don’t thing would disintegrate if a couple of players left (on good terms and beneficial for both parties).
Bolton turns 26 at the end of this year, and Baker has already turned 26.
And having a look at the Tiges current list, and given how the draft system is setup we may be in trouble regarding being able to rebuild before all of our good players are finished.
So potentially expediting the list rebuild using additional picks and or player swaps (if possible) that suit both parties seems logical to me.
Out of interest when do you think the club might be contending again considering the current list balance?
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Can you point me to your post?
I would like to see how we get x2 tip 10 pics.
(Which so would love)
After Bolton and Baker I don’t see much scope for trading into the first round.
If Martin, Grimes, Prestia or Lynch were to pull the plug sooner rather than later, FA could be really interesting. Talk about a war chest.
If you want to trade with teams in the 'right now' window, you should be looking to our older stars, not the younger ones who still have 6-8 years of service in them.
Short would have some draft currency. Best and fairest in a premiership team, and has lots of outside kudos for his goals from outside fifty and metres gained. Could get an early second rounder, or packaged with a late second, get another first.
Broady is another one. Again, for a team in the right now window.
Vlastuin, potentially.
We could look to on trade Hopper, though his value would be a big unknown.
But there's also free agency. Which gets much more difficult if we become a less attractive club by trading out players like Bolton.
I'm certain you could use one or more of those players to add to our picks in the first round, while maintaining our genuine, young A grade talent, which is better business.
Bakes is a different discussion, this is the Shai thread.
Putting Bakes aside;
Pick 24 and a player can get a 17.
32 and a player can get a 22.
24, 32, and a player gets 12
etc etc Plenty of scope for improving an already good hand without trading Shai.
Who is on your list
I have Gibcus and Brown.
Potential for Campbell, McAuliffe, Sonsie, Green, LeFau, Smith, Bauer, Fawcett, Miller, Young, Coulthard.
Doubts on the rest for a variety of reasons.
This list is very thin. Half the potentials won’t make it.
Sure, but there’s a big difference between pick 22 and pick 12. We wanna get right into the meat of this draft
Your scenario for pick 22 seems sound if it was a Broad type
But your scenario for pick 12 seems unlikely, even if it’s GC
