The Tigers have arrived at their sliding doors moment
Not to steal from Damian Barrett, but I feel that the decisions that Richmond makes in the near future is going to be looked…
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Richmond's next trade strategies - great article from The Roar
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Interesting article. One thing not mentioned that I feel is critical is the impact of the rule changes. Without the stand rule I don’t think Geelong is winning last year. Their strategy doesn’t look so sh’ite hot then with over a decade of poor finals performances Without a flag.
Yeah, just top up on some forwards and backs and everything is sweet. It's a wonder no-one has thought of that before.
What we paid for Taranto and Hopper was amplified by trade price increase or trade boom. 4 or 5 years ago very few trades were netting 2 first round picks, now it's almost a norm. Getting quality players in a trade is only going to keep going up, it won't be too long before clubs are asking for three firsts or the like.
But wouldn't you say our list balance looks totally different if we hit the FA market hard over the next 2 years. Lets say we do that and pick up Harry Himmelberg this year and say Todd Marshall next year both for essentially no trade capital, don't you think our list would then look totally different?
Add to that some quality talent from other clubs in the trade like a Sam Flanders, or Elijah Hollands etc and our list takes a drop rather than nose dive in terms of age and our list suddenly looks strong enough to challenge again.
The article was a good one, but mentioned we needed to target key backs, thats actually the last area we need to add to at the moment. Key forwards and additional support to our midfield (especially someone dynamic like Flanders) and we can reset very quickly from here but we need to be aggressive in the FA market.
We haven't drafted talls, so either we have been completely negligent with our list, or something else is going on and we believe we will be active in this space in the FA / trade market.
Just as a gauge, this is a quick draft of what our team could look like should we do the above, with starting ages in 2025. I reckon thats got a nice build to it. Missing wingers and small forwards (potentially some of those could be on our list right now) but a good trade / free agency period over the next 2 years can change the make up of the list very quickly IMO.
Blair has done a great job of bringing players to our footy club for a fair amount of time now, I'm happy to put a lot of faith in Blair that he can continue to add to that talent.
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"Obviously, a lot will depend on how well the Tigers do at the next few drafts, but they have traded virtually all their premium picks for the foreseeable future."
I can foresee 2024. This guy can't?
Richmond traded two first-rounders and two seconds, for two guarantees - one an A-grader and one B+, in its area of greatest need, in the age bracket it needed to bolster. Its next senior core is Taranto, Hopper, Bolton, Baker, Balta, Short, Rioli, Graham, all aged 23-26, except Short who is 27. Expect it to add to this group in the off-season.
Not all first-round picks are equal. The 'premium' picks are the first handful. Richmond paid what ended up being pick 14 (and 23) for Taranto - who went at pick 2 in his draft and has proved worthy of it. That's a bargain.
Hopper, who was drafted with pick 7, cost Richmond's 2023 first-rounder and 2022's pick 35. There is some angst currently that his price tag might end up being too high if Richmond hands over a top-5 pick to GWS, but the pragmatist in Hartley will see it as it is - whatever pick number it ends up being was irrelevant to Richmond as soon as they traded it - for a guaranteed B+ big-bodied midfielder.
Taken together, the price paid for Taranto and Hopper was good business, even if a top-5 pick ends up being involved.
With Cotchin and Riewoldt finishing up this year, Grimes and Prestia not far behind them, Martin's big contract expiring in 2024 and Lynch's in 2025, Richmond will have the cap space and the cache to attract fee agents both this year and next. Importantly, it has one of the best list managers in the business in Blair Hartley. Giving him picks to trade is better use than giving them to Matt Clarke to draft with.
It's a good article even if 'will Richmond do a Geelong or a Hawthorn' has been done more than a few times before (note: Hawthorn traded out of drafts for half a decade - Richmond had five top-30 picks in 2021 and three top-25 in 2017) but there are a few things wrong, none more so than saying Richmond took the captaincy off the greatest captain it's had since Jack Dyer. He handed it back, it was his for life if he wanted it.
I can foresee 2024. This guy can't?
Richmond traded two first-rounders and two seconds, for two guarantees - one an A-grader and one B+, in its area of greatest need, in the age bracket it needed to bolster. Its next senior core is Taranto, Hopper, Bolton, Baker, Balta, Short, Rioli, Graham, all aged 23-26, except Short who is 27. Expect it to add to this group in the off-season.
Not all first-round picks are equal. The 'premium' picks are the first handful. Richmond paid what ended up being pick 14 (and 23) for Taranto - who went at pick 2 in his draft and has proved worthy of it. That's a bargain.
Hopper, who was drafted with pick 7, cost Richmond's 2023 first-rounder and 2022's pick 35. There is some angst currently that his price tag might end up being too high if Richmond hands over a top-5 pick to GWS, but the pragmatist in Hartley will see it as it is - whatever pick number it ends up being was irrelevant to Richmond as soon as they traded it - for a guaranteed B+ big-bodied midfielder.
Taken together, the price paid for Taranto and Hopper was good business, even if a top-5 pick ends up being involved.
With Cotchin and Riewoldt finishing up this year, Grimes and Prestia not far behind them, Martin's big contract expiring in 2024 and Lynch's in 2025, Richmond will have the cap space and the cache to attract fee agents both this year and next. Importantly, it has one of the best list managers in the business in Blair Hartley. Giving him picks to trade is better use than giving them to Matt Clarke to draft with.
It's a good article even if 'will Richmond do a Geelong or a Hawthorn' has been done more than a few times before (note: Hawthorn traded out of drafts for half a decade - Richmond had five top-30 picks in 2021 and three top-25 in 2017) but there are a few things wrong, none more so than saying Richmond took the captaincy off the greatest captain it's had since Jack Dyer. He handed it back, it was his for life if he wanted it.
The problem I see is that team isn't going to win a premiership at AFL level.
Your key position players are either flaky or unknown and the midfield is pedestrian. Bolton is a star but not physically a full time midfielder, Taranto and Hopper are good players but plodders with plain ball use.
Our premiership midfields, Geelong's or Melbourne's from the past couple of years would destroy that line up.
You'd have to add three or four blue chip midfielders and I don't think we have them, so they need to be drafted or traded in. As you point out we have KPP needs as well so it is going to take time to get those players in and then we have to give them time to be ready.
By that stage your 2025 line up is at least 2 years older so your older guys in that line up become questionable. Personally I'd be seeing what we could get for any of Rioli, Baker, Vlastuin and Short now to try and get back into the draft.
It would be different if we had more young midfield talent on our list but right now I don't see it.
Watching the game today GWS has los of great young midfield prospects, we have Bolton.
Watching the game today GWS has los of great young midfield prospects, we have Bolton.
For a guy that can't kick and just plods around, he does pretty well kicking goals. Bear in mind, whilst the top 10 are regarded as "midfielders" in this measure, most play forward. I think we need a few more plodders like this please.
I'd doubt the umpires with their unquestionable ability to read and understand the game would give him 3 votes today.
It will be interesting to see what the coach's votes look like, personally I wouldn't have had him in our best three, let alone on the best 3 on the ground.
He's an interesting player, he has very good numbers every week but very good influence not as much. When you strip the theatrics of Cornes away, what he says was pretty correct today. He's not a great kick and he made bad decisions about when, where and how to kick.
It's easy to make the case he had a great game today, had 36 touches, 9 clearances, 5 tackles, 630m gained and a goal. Then you drill a bit deeper and see 11 turnovers, 58% disposal efficiency, 45% kicking efficiency, 10/22 effective kicks and 21 effective disposals and you realise we arguably got more benefit from McIntosh's 19 disposals and he's hardly Diesel Williams with ball in hand.
We've seen he is capable of much better than today and will get better with more Richmond games under his belt. It was clear a few times today that he wasn't in synch with how we play under instinct and that will come with time. He's good without the ball as well which is important.
My question remains is he a player you can win a flag with. He's a plodder in speed terms, and our lack of midfield speed stood out against the young legs of GWS, or even when the likes of Bolton and Baker got involved and you saw the game change. If you're not as fast you have to be very good in other areas to balance. If you lack speed and ball use then you have to be really, really good in other areas to balance. Is he balanced? Personally I'm not sure.
Before anyone gets their pom poms out in outrage here, I want to pose this question.
If you are picking the team on Thursday before the 2017 Grand Final does Taranto play and who does he replace?
He's obviously not starting before Prestia, Cotchin and Martin so unless you are trying to turn him into something he doesn't normally do like play wing or replace a Townsend or Caddy as a permanent forward then he is going to be a half forward/switch midfielder.
That means he is in the mix with the likes of Lambert, Edwards and Graham. Doesn't have the ability to play defensively like Graham and there's no way he replaces the other two so I've got him as an emergency. To go from that to having him as your prime midfielder in a premiership team is a huge stretch.
You not allowed to give 3 away now.
Tim Kelly & Jeremy Cameron have cost the most when it comes to trade history.
I think you answered your own question, I'd have him in front of Jack Graham - wins more of the ball and can still run defensively even if not quite as negating. Obviously would not get in front of Edwards, and Lambert played a more specialised role.
1. The umps only watch mids, rather than the game, and
2. Suggesting TT doesnt get a game in any side is absurd
TT isnt explosive, no,
But hes the prolific ball winner every good side needs and a very perfect compliment to $hai for the next 6 seasons
If you play him ahead of Graham I suggest 2017 becomes a lot tighter. Graham shutting down Sloane was a huge factor in that win. Taranto is a ball hunter first and foremost, asking him to negate would be a radical change.
Ezy to say but who are you leaving out for him in 2017?
Strange post.
He makes any team of the past decade. Without any question. If you want to talk 17' - Townsend, McIntosh, Caddy for starters.
And your right on one thing, he's not a great kick but using basic kicking/disposal efficiency stats means nothing. Chimp is one of the greatest kicks Leysy has seen yet his numbers are always poor - Because like Taranto he's generally got three blokes hanging off his jumper when he's getting rid of it.
To reply to this re making up for pace and kicking. The guy isn't just really really good in other areas, he is absolutely in the very top echelons of the AFL elite.
His clearance/stoppage is top notch (5th in centre clearances, 7th stoppage clearances), but what really sets him apart is his ability to cover the ground.
Watch him closely next time your at the game live, his ability to work from forward to back and forward again, contest to contest is as good as Leysy has seen in many years. He also has the near perfect balance between getting the ball (8th contested possesions, 17th score involvments) and negating the opponent (8th in tackles).
This is built on the back of elite aerobic capacity (easily the best at RFC) and mental fortitude. He simply works harder than his opponent, but through pre-season and game-day.
Look at the last 5 minutes yesterday. He is still going when others have stopped.
Look past a few clanger kicks and you will see an overall elite package.
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