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Brodders17

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Mar 21, 2008
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spook said:
No, it's not always the case, but it certainly is now. I can't think of a single person I would describe as gifted or even highly intelligent in the federal parliamentary Liberal Party. They have no talent.

I disagree. I reckon a few of the libs are probably quite smart, and even if i disagree with their views there are a few that are balanced and can argue their point well. but once they enter politics they get stuck arguing the party line, sticking to talking points, or trying to blame others. it is similar with Labor.
 

spook

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No doubt more than a few are 'quite smart', Brodders. Massive difference between that and highly intelligent. If Scummo's the best they can come up with, they're up *smile* Creek.
 

DavidSSS

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Dec 11, 2017
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MD Jazz said:
Posters talk about engaging in criminal behaviour when most do it. Most judge govts, corporations to different standards than themselves. Many want either govt to provide them with income or business to give them a job. Many think nothing of the risks businesses take.

No real point other than if you analyse your own behaviour it wouldn’t be much different to the organisations you decry. Just the scale is different.

Speak for yourself. Yes I do expect large and very profitable corporations to pay their bloody taxes, I also expect them to not charge dead people for services, to pay decent wages, etc etc. I also expect them to be arrested and charged when they break the laws (Banks, fraud, admitted at a Royal Commission, where are the charges, wtf are we waiting for, they committed fraud but we can't charge them apparently, why not?).

As for my own taxes, I work, I pay taxes, I get public services. I have maybe 3 deductions on my tax, I have no problem paying my fair share of tax and don't bother with a tax accountant - I earn money I pay tax, grossly irresponsible to avoid or evade tax.

DS
 

Baloo

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Nov 8, 2005
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So Bolt reckons the result shows the Libs aren't hard right enough? He can't honestly believe that.

The fact he's a Richmond supporter shows he has some sense.
 

tigersnake

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Sep 10, 2003
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Baloo said:
So Bolt reckons the result shows the Libs aren't hard right enough? He can't honestly believe that.

The fact he's a Richmond supporter shows he has some sense.

He's not correct, he's just feathering his own nest, but he does speak to a wider problem for the both major parties. The Libs go right they lose the moderates, they go centre they lose the right. Labor have the same problem. Our whole system is set up for 2 parties, and there is now high diversity of views as well as the old 2 party lines.
 

tigersnake

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Sep 10, 2003
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spook said:
No, it's not always the case, but it certainly is now. I can't think of a single person I would describe as gifted or even highly intelligent in the federal parliamentary Liberal Party. They have no talent. And to disagree with snake, it's not an indictment on the system, it's an indictment on the cynical, nasty, lazy, negative, greedy, short-sighted, opportunistic, dog-whistling imagination-free appeal to the worst in people the Libs have undertaken ever since Howard. Why would anyone with a brain and a heart who lent to the right associate themselves with a pack of such dopey cowards, beholden to their masters Murdoch and the miners?

Where is the small 'L' in Liberal? Where is the encouragement of innovation and entrepreneurialism they are supposed to stand for? All they stand for is established wealth. Their idea of wealth creation for the average man is to ride the housing bubble. They are bereft of talent, devoid of principles, lacking entirely in courage or vision, and are right where they deserve to be. The Carlton Football Club of politics.

Fair enough spook, I was letting them off the hook. But I disagree with you on éver since Howard', Howard is the architect of the current jack boots approach. He systematically got rid of all the wets.
 

Baloo

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tigersnake said:
He's not correct, he's just feathering his own nest, but he does speak to a wider problem for the both major parties. The Libs go right they lose the moderates, they go centre they lose the right. Labor have the same problem. Our whole system is set up for 2 parties, and there is now high diversity of views as well as the old 2 party lines.

The swing voters live in the middle. The numbers needed to win are there
 

Ridley

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Jul 21, 2003
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Baloo said:
So Bolt reckons the result shows the Libs aren't hard right enough? He can't honestly believe that.

The fact he's a Richmond supporter shows he has some sense.

Apart from supporting Richmond, Bolt’s an idiot. What does he think; the Libs are not far enough to the right so all those hard core right wingers voted for Labor?
 

IanG

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Sep 27, 2004
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Ridley said:
Apart from supporting Richmond, Bolt’s an idiot. What does he think; the Libs are not far enough to the right so all those hard core right wingers voted for Labor?

Yeah like I said before that reasoning is insane.
 

spook

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Jun 18, 2007
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tigersnake said:
Fair enough spook, I was letting them off the hook. But I disagree with you on éver since Howard', Howard is the architect of the current jack boots approach. He systematically got rid of all the wets.
I am very much including Howard. As you say, he started it all.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Jun 4, 2006
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scottyturnerscurse said:
The numbers needed to win are in new voters and young people, currently and justifiably, hate the Libs.

Young people are brainwashed via the education system without even being aware of it. It's why Labor wants to lower the voting age. "New voters" who barely speak English understand that 'Labor' is Australian for 'welfare', while others resent the Liberals' attempts to wean people off middle class welfare.

Tax and spend is a winning policy... until the next Cain and Kirner come along to remind everyone of its flaws.
 

MD Jazz

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Feb 3, 2017
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Ridley said:
Apart from supporting Richmond, Bolt’s an idiot. What does he think; the Libs are not far enough to the right so all those hard core right wingers voted for Labor?

He's a relic like tony, dutton, andrews & abetz. Add in younger nutjobs like Christensen and Canavan and you've got a bunch of guys that isolate the vast majority.

I imagine most of those will end up joining with the biggest nutjob of all Cory Bernadi and creating another minority party.
 

Sintiger

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Aug 11, 2010
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spook said:
I didn't watch any coverage, just followed it online, but I have since seen Pesutto speak after the ABC called that he would likely lose his seat, and he was most gracious and classy. He's ahead by a bee's *smile* at present - if he loses they need to find a way to keep him involved.

Agree on Q&A, haven't watched it for years.
I don’t watch Q & A either but it’s not because it’s biased, because it isn’t. I don’t watch it because there are so many politicians on it from all sides who just repeat their party line and it annoys me so much I can’t watch it
 

RoarEmotion

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Aug 20, 2005
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IanG said:
Rampant crime?

And power prices are more of a federal issue, plus who was it who sold our power infrastructure.....

When you restrict supply prices go up. Victorian government has banned supply development for onshore development of gas. Hardly surprising. .
 

RoarEmotion

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Aug 20, 2005
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Ridley said:
Yeah seems that way. Removing level crossings has been a big success. A very good project. But I really don’t get the opposition to the East West Link. Anyone who travels around Melbourne knows we need another East West crossing. The Monash - West Gate is a joke. A city of 5 million plus and growing fast needs more than that.

Andrews’ West Gate tunnel is a joke. All it does is funnel traffic to the Tullamarine freeway / City Link. It has no impact on traffic travelling to the eastern and south eastern suburbs which still contains the largest portion of Melbourne’s population.

Level crossings funded by privatisation of port. Need to see how that plays out. Agree good sensible project in general though.
 

HR

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Mar 20, 2013
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Most recent voters don't actually understand politics these days. To think the young voters are connected and aligned to a political ideology is news.com.au worthy.
 

Baloo

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Nov 8, 2005
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Young people are brainwashed via the education system without even being aware of it. It's why Labor wants to lower the voting age.

Yeah, dunno. Private schools certainly favour the Libs over the ALP.

"New voters" who barely speak English understand that 'Labor' is Australian for 'welfare', while others resent the Liberals' attempts to wean people off middle class welfare.

What? Howard is the architect of modern day middle class welfare. He started the mess we're in now. Instead pulling back welfare from those in need to pacify his voters, he instead made handouts available, and now expected, by those that don't need it. Now that's it's in no Gov has the balls to pull it back because of the negative press that will go with it.

Tax and spend is a winning policy... until the next Cain and Kirner come along to remind everyone of its flaws.

Howard and Costello did just that during our massive resources boom years. Instead of holding some back or investing in decent infrastructure, they kept subsidising the building industry which skyrocketed prices which made everyone feel richer. Now we're up sh!t creek where the prospect of owning your own home if you don't already have a very tough thing to do.

Seriously, Left or Right, you're all the same but just coming from different vested interests.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Jun 4, 2006
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Baloo said:
What? Howard is the architect of modern day middle class welfare. He started the mess we're in now. Instead pulling back welfare from those in need to pacify his voters, he instead made handouts available, and now expected, by those that don't need it. Now that's it's in no Gov has the balls to pull it back because of the negative press that will go with it.

"Bureau of Statistics data released on Wednesday show the majority of taxpayers with average incomes have had their government benefit boost reduced from $91 a week to $76 a week since 2010."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/middle-income-australians-losing-share-of-welfare-new-data-shows-20180620-p4zmmn.html