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LeeToRainesToRoach

Get out Gillon
Jun 4, 2006
23,675
899
Melbourne
Baloo said:
What? Howard is the architect of modern day middle class welfare. He started the mess we're in now. Instead pulling back welfare from those in need to pacify his voters, he instead made handouts available, and now expected, by those that don't need it. Now that's it's in no Gov has the balls to pull it back because of the negative press that will go with it.
"Bureau of Statistics data released on Wednesday show the majority of taxpayers with average incomes have had their government benefit boost reduced from $91 a week to $76 a week since 2010."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/middle-income-australians-losing-share-of-welfare-new-data-shows-20180620-p4zmmn.html
 

Baloo

Delisted Free Agent
Nov 8, 2005
35,003
1,558
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
"Bureau of Statistics data released on Wednesday show the majority of taxpayers with average incomes have had their government benefit boost reduced from $91 a week to $76 a week since 2010."
LOL, what classic selective quoting with punctuation rules no less.

Here's the quote in full:

LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Bureau of Statistics data released on Wednesday show the majority of taxpayers with average incomes have had their government benefit boost reduced from $91 a week to $76 a week since 2010, while the proportion of government benefits flowing to the poorest and wealthiest 20 per cent has remained the same.
But good to see Turnbull was trying to wind it back. Just a shame the riotous right kicked him out.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

Get out Gillon
Jun 4, 2006
23,675
899
Melbourne
Baloo said:
Yeah, dunno. Private schools certainly favour the Libs over the ALP.
I went to a private school and certainly didn't emerge voting Liberal. I can't recall anyone else that did. The only strident political views were left wing, thanks in large part to Midnight Oil's popularity.
 

lamb22

Tiger Legend
Jan 29, 2005
10,846
376
RoarEmotion said:
When you restrict supply prices go up. Victorian government has banned supply development for onshore development of gas. Hardly surprising. .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-09/gas-prices-will-rise-and-there-is-not-much-we-can-do-to-stop-it/8340536
 

tigersnake

Tear 'em apart
Sep 10, 2003
18,606
509
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Young people are brainwashed via the education system without even being aware of it. It's why Labor wants to lower the voting age. "New voters" who barely speak English understand that 'Labor' is Australian for 'welfare', while others resent the Liberals' attempts to wean people off middle class welfare.

Tax and spend is a winning policy... until the next Cain and Kirner come along to remind everyone of its flaws.
You cannot be serious. Costello and Howard invented middle class welfare.
 

lamb22

Tiger Legend
Jan 29, 2005
10,846
376
When it comes to welfare the big losers are:

(a) those poor liberal party donors who will miss out on their windfall profits by having their land rezoned in a way that it doubles in value,

(b) those poor multi nationals who wont enter into a contract that entitles them to a billion dollar damages claim three weeks later;

(c) those poor coal companies who wont have their dying and inefficient plants subsidised or bought out at extravagant prices at taxpayer's expense; and finally

(d) those poor mobsters whose lobster investment failed to pay off.
 

MD Jazz

Tiger Champion
Feb 3, 2017
3,791
454
I did note in interviews after the election Dan was talking about reform. About getting things done. About fixing problems with schools, hospitals and public transport. Given labour have been in charge 19 of the last 23 years why are there so many issues? Why don't we have better infrastructure? Did the libs stuff it all up in their 4 years in power?
 

tigertim

something funny is written here
Mar 6, 2004
21,991
515
MD Jazz said:
I did note in interviews after the election Dan was talking about reform. About getting things done. About fixing problems with schools, hospitals and public transport. Given labour have been in charge 19 of the last 23 years why are there so many issues? Why don't we have better infrastructure? Did the libs stuff it all up in their 4 years in power?
There are some who are still blaming Kennett from events a quarter of a century ago.
 

lamb22

Tiger Legend
Jan 29, 2005
10,846
376
MD Jazz said:
I did note in interviews after the election Dan was talking about reform. About getting things done. About fixing problems with schools, hospitals and public transport. Given labour have been in charge 19 of the last 23 years why are there so many issues? Why don't we have better infrastructure? Did the libs stuff it all up in their 4 years in power?
I'm not tribal Jazzy (other than yellow and black blood) so you're wasting your time.

Voted labor 1 for the first time in about 30 years simply because Andrews walked the talk. Yep many issues like infrastructure, domestic violence, mental health, investment in renewables, death with dignity etc were not adequately addressed but they are now and that's what counts.
 

lamb22

Tiger Legend
Jan 29, 2005
10,846
376
Must say that this description of Kroger by Andrews is spot on:

"Swanning around suburbs that you’ve never been to in your Burberry trench coat, lecturing people about the cost of living—people pick fakes and they pick nasty fakes from a long way off"
 

TigerFlag2017

Tiger Legend
May 16, 2007
5,099
623
Like a few others on here I would consider myself right-of-centre and for the most part have voted liberal. However I feel more aligned with the Andrews government despite a few red flags - think they are governing and agree with their "progressive" policies which in this day-and-age is unique.

Certainly won't be voting liberal again for the forseeable future.
 

MD Jazz

Tiger Champion
Feb 3, 2017
3,791
454
lamb22 said:
I'm not tribal Jazzy (other than yellow and black blood) so you're wasting your time.

Voted labor 1 for the first time in about 30 years simply because Andrews walked the talk. Yep many issues like infrastructure, domestic violence, mental health, investment in renewables, death with dignity etc were not adequately addressed but they are now and that's what counts.
Wasn’t doing to wind anyone up. Just an observation. I understand it wasn’t Dan in charge for most of that time, let’s hope he keeps thing moving.
 

Ian4

BIN MAN!
May 6, 2004
19,504
404
Melbourne
My hope for the future is that the Libs don’t read the vibe of the electorate and move even further to the right. That might put them in the wilderness for a generation. If they don’t learn from this, they never will. They need to return to being the centre right party they are supposed to be. But I'm tipping Uncle Rupert won't agree to this.

TigerForce said:
What's up with you Easterners? All whinging about Sky Rail and yet they vote for Dan's party. :hihi
Small vocal minority when the vast majority were for it. its the same here in Essendon with a bunch of vocal grandmas protesting against the Buckley St level crossing and even brought in their own independent candidate (who couldn’t even win 5% of the vote). the same is also happening in Coburg where skyrail the whole way through is the biggest no brainer of all time.

tigerman said:
Scrapping the East West Link and getting rid of the level crossings has been a winner for the Andrews government.
lets hope this means we have seen the last of the EW Link.

Ridley said:
I’m old enough to remember rust belt Victoria in the Cain and Kirner years. Trams striking and clogging city roads for days. Unemployment through the roof. Lay offs and redundancies everywhere.

I actually think Andrews is doing okay. I just hope he is strong enough to resist the overtures of union militancy now he has a big mandate. Remain moderate and balanced.
union militancy to the extent you suggested doesn't exist anymore. when is the last time we seen these types of strikes? that’s just more scaremongering that the people on the street don’t believe. but when wage growth is as low as its ever been, you know the rules are far too in favour of big business.

Brodders17 said:
There might have been a bit of a backlash against the party cos of their preferences. They preferenced a few right wing parties ahead of more progressive parties.
this exactly. Fiona Patten is a fantastic politician, but she choose to preference the DLP over parties such as the socialists. and she paid for it.

MD Jazz said:
I did note in interviews after the election Dan was talking about reform. About getting things done. About fixing problems with schools, hospitals and public transport. Given labour have been in charge 19 of the last 23 years why are there so many issues? Why don't we have better infrastructure? Did the libs stuff it all up in their 4 years in power?
because we are decades behind in infrastructure. Even the metro rail tunnel and airport rail link won’t bring us back to parity. Sydney eliminated their level crossings in the 1930’s. think about that for a second…
 

Coburgtiger

Tiger Champion
May 7, 2012
2,761
271
Ian4 said:
... the same is also happening in Coburg where skyrail the whole way through is the biggest no brainer of all time.
Yep, and if they were really thinking, they'd bring the upfield deathtrap/carpark/trainstation/blindcorner/walkway/bikepath up with it.
 

MD Jazz

Tiger Champion
Feb 3, 2017
3,791
454
Ian4 said:
because we are decades behind in infrastructure. Even the metro rail tunnel and airport rail link won’t bring us back to parity. Sydney eliminated their level crossings in the 1930’s. think about that for a second…
At what point does labor take some responsibility we are in this position when they have been in charge for 4 of the last 5 terms?

Bracks achieved nothing except a disastrous regional fast rail sinkhole, built a tollway instead of a freeway (breaking an election promise) out east and failed on any long-term planning despite 3 terms as premier.

Lets hope Dan is the man.
 

Ian4

BIN MAN!
May 6, 2004
19,504
404
Melbourne
Coburgtiger said:
Yep, and if they were really thinking, they'd bring the upfield deathtrap/carpark/trainstation/blindcorner/walkway/bikepath up with it.
100% agree.

MD Jazz said:
At what point does labor take some responsibility we are in this position when they have been in charge for 4 of the last 5 terms?

Bracks achieved nothing except a disastrous regional fast rail sinkhole, built a tollway instead of a freeway (breaking an election promise) out east and failed on any long-term planning despite 3 terms as premier.

Lets hope Dan is the man.
they are both to blame. there was hardly any new infrastructure from the time Cain extended the Altona line to Werribee in the mid 80's to when Bracks slowly started extending lines at the turn of the century (the St Albans line extension to Sydenham was completed in 2002). the only one i can think of off the top of my head was the cranbourne electrification in the mid 90's.
 

Sintiger

Tiger Legend
Aug 11, 2010
11,584
453
Camberwell
Ian4 said:
They are both to blame. there was hardly any new infrastructure from the time Cain extended the Altona line to Werribee in the mid 80's to when Bracks slowly started extending lines at the turn of the century (the St Albans line extension to Sydenham was completed in 2002). the only one i can think of off the top of my head was the cranbourne electrification in the mid 90's.
yes, there has been decades of underspending on infrastructure in this state which will be with us for another 20 years imo.

This is probably one of the bigger local issues in the election. Most in the state get that there probably is no choice but to invest heavily for a long time. The argument in my mind is just about what the priorities are
 

joegarra

Tiger Matchwinner
Jun 27, 2013
961
0
Werribee South
Hi everyone! I was asked for an update. I'm still second with some counting to go. My t shirts were black and yellow. I managed to shave 12 off the treasurers primary vote. He's the only cabinet member to suffer a swing against. Hopefully it's a wake up call for him and some money flows our way. If I stay second during preference distribution there is a good chance the seat may become marginal. Huge effort from the team.