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From abc.com.au

School funding: Government to largely honour Gonski deals, boost spending for states that did not sign up
By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths
Updated 13 minutes ago

The Government has moved to quash criticism that it was breaking a promise over schools funding, announcing it will honour Labor's Gonski commitments for four years and boost spending to those states that had not signed up by $1.2 billion.

But the Opposition insists there are still doubts over whether schools will be worse-off under the new arrangements.

In a surprise move, Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Education Minister Christopher Pyne have announced "in-principle" agreements with Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory.

"We now have a fair and national deal - the Government will put the $1.2 billion that Labor took out back into school funding over the next four years," Mr Abbott said.

Mr Pyne says it means there will be no "second-class" students in Australia.

"I've set about since the election, over the last 11 weeks, talking with all of my state colleagues, but particularly those non-funded states to talk about how we might be able to repair the damage left to us," he said.

"I'm pleased to say that we will now be able to put $1.2 billion into these three jurisdictions. That means there are no second-class students because of Labor's cuts before the election."

The $1.2 billion refers to additional funding Labor had offered under its schools funding model but which was not allocated because those states - led by conservative governments - had not signed up to the Gonski model.

The money will be found from within the federal education budget with the cuts to be revealed in the mid-year economic and fiscal statement.

"We have identified what we think are perfectly suitable savings that won't involve particular difficulties for parents, teachers, students and we'll be announcing those in the MYEFO statement in a week-or-so's time," Mr Abbott said

The Government has been under fire over its stance on schools funding, accused of breaking an election promise made by Mr Abbott, who had said the Coalition was on a "unity ticket" with Labor on the issue.

Last week Mr Pyne announced the government would have to go back to the "drawing board" and renegotiate all school funding deals.

The move triggered a row with governments in Tasmania, Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales and the ACT, who made funding agreements with Labor.

The Prime Minister defended the apparent reversal yesterday, saying the Government would deliver its election promises, not what some voters "thought" it had promised.

But today's announcement means the funding deals signed with Labor will stand, with Mr Abbott now saying the government's "intention" is to honour the agreements "to the letter".

"I suspect that New South Wales and Victoria will be happy to lose the Canberra command and control elements of those deals but certainly the financial arrangements for the next four years will be absolutely adhered to," he said.

The Coalition Government wants to "dismantle" the regulations and red tape associated with Labor's deal, saying it does not want to "run public schools out of Canberra".

It will shelve Labor's ideas of imposing management plans for states' schools systems, setting up Canberra-based inspectors and gathering extra data in Canberra.

It has also not committed to the full six years of funding proposed by Labor.
 
From what I can gather, the main difference between Gonski and Abbott's plans are that with Abbott's, private schools will get yet another increase in funding from the Fed Govt. I believe with Gonski, this would have happened, due to Gillard's fear of what may happen otherwise, but it would have been a lot less than what Abbott is going to give them.

The second main thing, is that Abbott won't be placing any checks on where the money goes and whether a school needs more due to it's student make up. With Gonski, I believe that schools who would have benefited from more, to help them with a range of student issues, would have received more than others.

Third thing is, that the states will now be able to easily reduce the amount of money they give to schools, thus meaning schools *may* not receive any additional money - just that the Fed Govt will be paying more of what they get.

While I know some people don't want to believe that Abbott's plan is anything other than an improvement, I just don't see this being the case.
 
So after the election the recalcitrant conservative states have got on board and Pyne gets to announce "non-Gonski" money for schools. Well played young man. It is absolutely politiking and it is exactly what I would expect from Pyne. I'll make a prediction. In four years we go back over the books and tot up all the money and I bet it doesn't add up to anything close to what Pyne and Abbott are saying.
 
"Just in: When Abbott tells us he will give what he promised, not what we all thought he promised or what we would like to have been promised and then poops his pants at yet another backlash, which in turn, causes him and Pyne to then give us the promise he never promised to end the backlash about the promise that he broke"
 
This Is Anfield said:
Haha! They are probably waiting for the feeding frenzy to subside & then bring back a rational side to the arguments! ;)

tigertim said:

Ok copied this from the Dud Products thread to keep the political discussion on this board. TIA described the Politics thread as the Lefties only thread.

I recall plenty of anti-Labor talk from a few people over the last few years. As far as I can see here the recent discussion about Abbott is well justified. Who could have imagined such a first couple of months in power. It reads like a political sattire...except that if it was it would be too far fetched to believe.

Instead of winking tim how about letting us know how you think the coalition govt has performed so far? Do you agree with others' concerns or have they done a sterling, no concerns whatsoever, job so far?
 
rosy23 said:
Ok copied this from the Dud Products thread to keep the political discussion on this board. TIA described the Politics thread as the Lefties only thread.

I recall plenty of anti-Labor talk from a few people over the last few years. As far as I can see here the recent discussion about Abbott is well justified. Who could have imagined such a first couple of months in power. It reads like a political sattire...except that if it was it would be too far fetched to believe.

Instead of winking tim how about letting us know how you think the coalition govt has performed so far? Do you agree with others' concerns or have they done a sterling, no concerns whatsoever, job so far?
I'll post the what I wish to post, where I wish to post and when I wish to post and I dont need you to advise me, but thank you anyway.
 
tigertim said:
I'll post the what I wish to post, where I wish to post and when I wish to post and I dont need you to advise me, but thank you anyway.

I didn't advise you about anything tim so your thanks are futile. :hihi

I have as much right to make a request or ask you questions as you do to decline. Double standards there considering some of your past posting habits. The silence speaks volumes just the same. It's easy to get the impression that some things just can't be defended.
 
rosy23 said:
I didn't advise you about anything tim so your thanks are futile. :hihi

I have as much right to make a request or ask you questions as you do to decline. Double standards there considering some of your past posting habits. The silence speaks volumes just the same. It's easy to get the impression that some things just can't be defended.

That's your perogative to take that impression.
 
With Liverpool FC losing games and Abbott and Pyne causing great hilarity locally and globally we'll never see Liverpool on this board again.
 
tigertim said:
I'll post the what I wish to post, where I wish to post and when I wish to post and I dont need you to advise me, but thank you anyway.

You sound like Scott Morrison.
 
rosy23 said:
Ok copied this from the Dud Products thread to keep the political discussion on this board. TIA described the Politics thread as the Lefties only thread.

I recall plenty of anti-Labor talk from a few people over the last few years. As far as I can see here the recent discussion about Abbott is well justified. Who could have imagined such a first couple of months in power. It reads like a political sattire...except that if it was it would be too far fetched to believe.

Instead of winking tim how about letting us know how you think the coalition govt has performed so far? Do you agree with others' concerns or have they done a sterling, no concerns whatsoever, job so far?

All my posts in the dud products thread (in response to Western Tigers humorous post) were tongue in cheek & supposed to be mildly humorous. :-[
I finished with Lib/Lab meh!
I'll leave again now. :)