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K3 said:
Gotta disagree on the last point mate. I think a large number of people who voted for the Libs, did not know what the 'possibilities' could be in our future.

The positive to be taken out from this mess is that people now will.

Last vote was a labor punishment vote, no doubt.

The last victory of ideas over negative politics could well have been Paul Keating.

Aussie politics has been mired in the quicksand of the populist vote for twenty years.

Could never vote liberal but labor have broken many, many hearts.
 
Carter said:
Last vote was a labor punishment vote, no doubt.

The last victory of ideas over negative politics could well have been Paul Keating.

Aussie politics has been mired in the quicksand of the populist vote for twenty years.

Could never vote liberal but labor have broken many, many hearts.

To me it was the case of...

Labor had shot themselves in both feet, and needed a double amputation, but the Libs were dead from the waist up.

Fortunately I had some good independents to put higher up the paperwork.
 
Befoe going back to Labor I'd rather a less fanatical Libs leadrer take power for a while. Someone that can be a prime Minister as opposede to the opposition leader we have as our PM now.
 
Carter said:
Last vote was a labor punishment vote, no doubt.

The last victory of ideas over negative politics could well have been Paul Keating.

Aussie politics has been mired in the quicksand of the populist vote for twenty years.

Could never vote liberal but labor have broken many, many hearts.

Plucked my thoughts there Carter. What do you think it would take to wake the electorate from their 20 year slumber or more ambitiously to force our pollies to give up on sloganeering and start campaigning on issues with honesty and integrity?
 
For those who find the Abbott govt objectionable, the March I March is on at noon tomorrow-

A Peaceful, non-partisan citizens’ march from The State Library of Victoria to rally at Treasury Gardens to protest against the current government’s policy decisions that are against the common good of our nation. This signifies the people’s vote of no confidence in policies of the government that go against common principles of humanity, decency, fairness social justice and equity, democratic governance, responsible global citizenship and conserving our natural heritage.

http://marchinmarch.com.au/events/melbourne/
 
tigerman said:
Good to see the Greenies get what they deserve in the Tassie election.

The woodchippers will be doing cartwheels now, good to know we'll be supplying the Japanese with some quality toilet paper.
 
Love that Tone Abbott claimed that God was on the side of the foresters and of course himself recently..

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/mr-abbott-keep-god-out-of-politics-20140315-34u51.html

Clearly isn't up on the work of Stephen Hawking, M-Theory and quantum vacuum theories of matter appearing out of nothing from quantum field fluctuations - thereby removing the need for a creator-deity in the first place
 
tigerman said:
Good to see the Greenies get what they deserve in the Tassie election.

the % of people in Tassie actually employed in the logging industry has been mentioned a few times lately. be interesting if the number is actually so low. especially when compared to the much higher tourism industry.
 
tigerman said:
Good to see the Greenies get what they deserve in the Tassie election.

The Greenies deserve Tasmania's Wilderness Heritage areas being logged out?
 
Was really disappointed to see that the Tassies had gone with the Libs, and recon it will come back to bite them. The reason for this is that nearly everyone I know who goes to Tassie, does so to spend time in the beautiful countryside/ wilderness, and for me tourism has a much higher ceiling than cutting down trees to pulp. But, if they are set on chopping up wood, why the hell don't we invest in doing better things with it than, as Brodders said, turning it into dunny paper? From what I believe, we have to import engineered wood products from Western Europe. Why?
 
FWIW, just had a stopover in Singapore last week, went into a supermarket (always fun in a foreign country), SPC pears, apricots and fruit salad were the cheapest on the shelves by far, by 15-30%. Cheaper than Indo, Malaysian and US equivalents. ???
 
rosy23 said:
The Greenies deserve Tasmania's Wilderness Heritage areas being logged out?

I'm not sure what the Greenie's stand for after they refused to pass the emission trading scheme legislation.
 
Wow, who would thought such actions would happen in 2014? Putin really has to be one of the dodgiest people in history.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-18/vladimir-putin-crimea-russia/5329772


Vladimir Putin signs treaty making Crimea part of Russia, despite threat of further sanctions
Updated 3 minutes ago

Vladimir Putin addresses Russian parliament
PHOTO: Russian president Vladimir Putin says the people of Crimea clearly "want to be with Russia". (AFP: Kirill Kudryavtsev)
EXTERNAL LINK: The Drum: Russia cries 'provokatzia' RELATED STORY: Crimea declares independence from Ukraine, applies to join Russia
MAP: Russian Federation
Russian president Vladimir Putin has signed a treaty making Crimea part of his nation, despite the threat of further punitive sanctions by the West.

Mr Putin made a fiercely patriotic address to a joint session of parliament in the Kremlin, punctuated by standing ovations, cheering and tears.

Britain responded by announcing it would suspend all bilateral military cooperation with Russia, while the US warned of further sanctions against Moscow.

During his speech Mr Putin lambasted the West for what he called hypocrisy, saying Western nations had endorsed Kosovo's independence from Serbia but now denied Crimeans the same right.

"You cannot call the same thing black today and white tomorrow," he declared to applause, saying Western partners had "crossed the line" over Ukraine and behaved "irresponsibly".

He said Ukraine's new leaders, in power since the overthrow of pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych last month, included "neo-Nazis, Russophobes and anti-Semites".

In the hearts and minds of people, Crimea has always been and remains an inseparable part of Russia.
Vladimir Putin
Mr Putin said Crimea's disputed referendum vote on Sunday, held under Russian military occupation, was in full accordance with democratic procedures and international law.

He said the results show the overwhelming will of the people to be reunited with Russia after 60 years as part of the Ukrainian republic.

"People in the Crimea clearly and convincingly expressed their will. They want to be with Russia," he said.

To the Russian national anthem, Mr Putin and Crimean leaders signed a treaty that will be ratified within the next few days.

Crimea's PM and speaker celebrate inclusion into Russia
PHOTO: Crimean PM Sergei Aksyonov (right) and parliamentary speaker Vladimir Konstantinov (left) celebrate signing the treaty. (AFP: Kirill Kudryavtsev)
During his address, Mr Putin was interrupted by applause at least 30 times.

"In the hearts and minds of people, Crimea has always been and remains an inseparable part of Russia," Mr Putin said.

He thanked China for its support, even though Beijing abstained on a United Nations resolution on Crimea that Moscow had to veto on its own.

He said he was sure Germans would support the Russian people's quest for reunification, just as Russia had supported German reunification in 1990.

Mr Putin also sought to reassure Ukrainians that Russia did not seek any further division of their country.

Fears have been expressed in Kiev that Russia might move on the Russian-speaking eastern parts of Ukraine.

"Don't believe those who try to frighten you with Russia and who scream that other regions will follow after Crimea," Mr Putin said.

"We do not want a partition of Ukraine. We do not need this."

Ukraine's foreign ministry said it does not recognise the treaty.

"The signing of the so-called agreement on Crimea joining the Russian Federation and the corresponding address by the Russian president has nothing in common with law or democracy or common sense," ministry spokesman Evhen Perebynis said on Twitter.

"Putin's address very clearly demonstrates just how real the threat is that Russia poses to international security."

UK suspends military cooperation, US warns of further sanctions

Pro-Kremlin activists rally at Red Square in Moscow
PHOTO: Pro-Kremlin activists rally at Moscow's Red Square to celebrate the incorporation of Crimea into the country. (AFP: Dmitry Serebryakov)
Russia began seizing the region after Mr Yanukovych was ousted last month, following a violent uprising in which nearly 100 people were killed.

The US and the European Union foreign ministers condemned the move, and labelled the weekend referendum illegal.

On Monday, the United States and the European Union imposed personal sanctions on a handful of officials from Russia and Ukraine accused of involvement in Moscow's military seizure of the Black Sea peninsula.

After Mr Putin's speech, British foreign secretary William Hague announced that all bilateral military cooperation with Russia would be suspended.

"We have suspended all such cooperation," he told parliament, saying a technical cooperation agreement and joint naval exercises with Russia, France, Britain and the US had been put on hold.

Sanctions imposed on officials


The EU and US have frozen the assets of Russian, Crimean and Ukrainian officials.
German chancellor Angela Merkel said Russia's absorption of Crimea violated international law.

"The so-called referendum breached international law, the declaration of independence which the Russian president accepted yesterday was against international law, and the absorption into the Russian Federation is, in our firm opinion, also against international law," she said.

US vice-president Joe Biden condemned Russia's actions, calling them nothing more than a "land grab" and warning of further sanctions against Moscow.

"Russia's political and economic isolation will only increase if it continues down this path and it will in fact see additional sanctions by the United States and the EU," he said.

The White House said the US and its G7 allies would gather next week at The Hague to consider a further response.

Japan also joined the mild Western sanctions, announcing the suspension of talks with Russia on investment promotion and visa liberalisation.

Russian politicians have dismissed the sanctions as insignificant and a badge of honour.

The State Duma, or lower house, adopted a statement urging Washington and Brussels to extend the visa ban and asset freeze to all its members.

Echoing comments from Mr Putin, Russia's foreign ministry sharply criticised the sanctions and said it will retaliate.

"Attempts to speak to Russia in the language of force and threaten Russian citizens with sanctions will lead nowhere," it said in a statement.

"The adoption of restrictive measures is not our choice; however, it is clear that the imposition of sanctions against us will not go without an adequate response from the Russian side."

Ukrainian soldier killed in attack on Crimean base

Soldier stands guard in front of Ukrainian defence ministry
PHOTO: A soldier stands guard at the Ukrainian defence ministry in Kiev. Ukraine's PM says his country's conflict with Russia is entering a "military stage" after a Ukrainian soldier was shot dead in Crimea. (AFP/Ukrainian presidential service: Mykhalo Markiv)
Meanwhile, Ukraine's prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk says the conflict with Russia has entered a military stage following the death of a Ukrainian soldier during an attack on a Crimean base.

It is the first such death since Russian forces took control of the region in February.

A Ukrainian military spokesman says the warrant officer was killed by unknown forces who were fully equipped and had their faces covered.

He says another serviceman was injured in the attack.

The spokesman says the Ukrainians had their weapons, money and identification confiscated.

Ukraine has now issued orders permitting its soldiers in Crimea to use weapons to protect their lives following the soldier's death, acting president Oleksander Turchinov's press service said.

Until now forces deployed on the Black Sea peninsula had been told to avoid using weapons.

A defence ministry order issued after the incident said: "In connection with the death of a Ukrainian serviceman... Ukrainian troops in Crimea have been allowed to use weapons to defend and protect the lives of Ukrainian servicemen."
 
Interesting take by Ted Mack on the flaws in our 'democratic' systems. It's 12 pages, but well worth a read -

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://australianpolitics.com/downloads/2013/13-10-26_the-state-of-the-federation_parkes-oration_ted-mack.pdf&hl&chrome=true
 
KnightersRevenge said:
I hope he is. I like him, comes across as a good guy.

I hope theyve got pics of him getting &^*smile*#% by christopher pyne with an Adelaide Gentlemen's Club credit card held between his teeth.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
I hope he is. I like him, comes across as a good guy.

Gotta say that what happened when he was a. A big mucka at a Co and b. In a position of power to make sure said Co got awarded projects doesn't look great at all.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
I hope he is. I like him, comes across as a good guy.

really? whilst not quite at the top of the 'coalition cant stand' list, he is certainly not on the far shorter 'libs i like' list.