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Tygrys said:
Anyhow, will check on this debate again late this week or early next. I'm sure our Islamic 'friends' both at home and abroad will still be in the news..
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/muslims-are-speaking-out-but-no-one-is-listening-20140930-10nktr.html

Muslims are speaking out but no one is listening

Lately I've taken to wearing a small gold pendant with Allah inscribed on the front and a verse from the Koran on the back. It was given to me by my father a long time ago, and whenever I get the sense that Islam is under attack I reach for it. These past few weeks I've been more attached to it than ever. It gives me an opportunity to stand in solidarity with other Muslims in my community and I hope someone will ask me about it so I can tell them I am a proud Muslim.

No matter how much I hear that Islam is a religion of violence and oppression, I think my faith is beautiful and has shaped me in every way. I have Muslim friends who are kind, generous and loving. So it saddens and angers me to see my religion defiled by the self-titled Islamic State. But what stings even more is seeing the wider Australian community so willing to believe that these barbarians represent Islam and Muslims. I never have to scroll too far down the comments in the online news articles to come across menacing and ignorant anti-Islamic rhetoric. And most common of all are statements from Australians wondering why Muslim leaders aren't speaking out against terrorism and claiming that moderate Muslims must not exist because their voices aren't being heard.

The truth is, Muslim leaders are speaking out, but their voices are drowned out by sensationalism, such as the comments made by Palmer United Party MP Jacqui Lambie on Insiders last week when she equated sharia law to terrorism. Lambie's comments got a lot more media attention than when the Australian National Imams Council issued a media statement on September 15, that likened Islamic State to a "group of criminals" with nothing Islamic about their murderous actions, and stated: "Since the ISIS group was established we have been very clear about denouncing their lies and betrayal of our faith."
Inflammatory: Jacqui Lambie has equated sharia law to terrorism.

Inflammatory: Jacqui Lambie has equated sharia law to terrorism. Photo: Andrew Meares

How will Australians know that Muslim leaders are speaking out if the media chooses to cover it so scantily? For example, there was little, if any, coverage on July 2 when two of the world's most prominent Muslim leaders denounced Islamic State, one of them Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries.

Madani stated that the actions of Islamic State "have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence", but his words fell on deaf ears. Since then there have been unequivocal condemnations from Muslim leaders around the globe.

In Britain, more than 100 Sunni and Shiite religious leaders produced a video denouncing Islamic State titled: UK Imams against ISIS. But since July it has only received 54,515 views, whereas the video of Lambie's interview on Insiders had more than 87,500 views in the past four days. The voices of the ignorant on Islam are much louder than those of the learned.

Last Monday on the ABC's Q&A program, Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, estimated there were more than 100 Muslims in Australia who had come to the attention of the authorities for allegedly supporting Islamic State. That makes up less than 0.03 per cent of the Muslim Australian population. Meanwhile the other 99.97 per cent(381,900) Muslims are besieged on both sides. On one hand they witness their religion being abused by ignorant radicals ruthlessly killing Muslims as well as non-Muslims in the name of their faith, and on the other hand their community at home in Australia is inhospitable, suspicious and, in the worst cases, abusive.

So why aren't we hearing the voices of the 381,900 Muslim Australians denouncing Islamic State? Are they not speaking out or not being heard? Perhaps given the palpable distrust of Muslims in the community, there is understandable trepidation in organising a large gathering on the streets. Despite that, a group of Muslims in Lakemba, Sydney, organised a "Muslims love Australia" free barbecue to unite Australian Muslims against Islamic State.

Unfortunately, rather than capturing the stories and beliefs of Muslim attendees, the media coverage focused on the major donor, a father whose son has been fighting with Islamic State, and the fear of further radicalisation of young Muslims. So now Australian Muslims have taken another approach to get their voices heard by joining a global Twitter campaign #NotInMyName being used by Muslims to denounce the actions and religious ideology of Islamic State.

The irony is that the real antidote to Islamic State's poison is Islam itself. Perhaps that is why I reach for my pendant and display it. Australians, both Muslim and non-Muslim, need to work towards remedying the perception of Islam in the West and to remind each other of the beauty of this religion, praise the contributions it has made to civilisations both East and West, and emphasise its peaceful nature.

Reem Sweid is a senior social policy researcher
 
Brodders17 said:
in fairness to Christopher, I think he said they did not have any policy relating to massive fee increases, and interest increases on repayments.
so they are not breaking any promises with uni fees increases. they just didnt tell anyone they were going to do it.

Yep, missed the bit about relating to those issues, in my vent.

Cheers
 
I have always quite liked Michelle Grattan's writing.
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http://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-row-over-facial-covering-exposes-rifts-and-red-faces-32454


Grattan on Friday: Row over facial covering exposes rifts and red faces

For a prime minister who says he wants to promote Team Australia, Tony Abbott made a right mess of it this week.

Somehow he managed to let the burqa, which as he correctly says no one actually wears to Parliament House, become a major and damaging debate.

First, when asked on Wednesday about calls for it to be banned in the building on security grounds, he unnecessarily reprised his old worries about finding the garment “fairly confronting” and his wish that it wasn’t worn (though declaring people had the right to dress how they wanted and not saying it should banned at Parliament House).

Then on Thursday afternoon Speaker Bronwyn Bishop and Senate President Stephen Parry announced that people with facial coverings would be confined to the glassed-in galleries when they watched parliamentary proceedings.

Within hours and after a backlash – including from the government’s hand-picked Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson – word was out that Abbott was intervening to quash the decision. He would ask the presiding officers (formally in charge of these things) to reconsider. He didn’t think it was necessary to ban these visitors from the open gallery.

Abbott’s office has been keeping an eagle eye on the upgrading of security in Parliament House. It’s hard to comprehend how it allowed the glass box snafu to happen. Bishop and Parry are left red faced and the government has again damaged relations with the Muslim community.


Joe Hockey was quick to deny that the government were giving up on key budget measures.

It wasn’t the only problem of the week. On a completely different front, when the Australian Financial Review reported that the government was preparing to raise the white flag on key budget measures in the face of Senate obstruction and revise its strategy, Treasurer Joe Hockey and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann had to dash out with the speed of Olympic sprinters to deny it.

No, no, no, they insisted. No change. Policies stand (even if only aspirations). We’ll never give up.

The government can’t afford to admit the obvious: that it can’t promise to deliver key budget measures, including the $7 Medicare co-payment, higher education deregulation, denying young people unemployment benefits for six months, changing pension and family benefit indexation provisions, and putting in place a pension age of 70 (for two decades on).

It’s not just that to abandon these initiatives would be to concede it had been routed. It’s also that though the measures are in limbo they stay for future years in the budget forward estimates as savings, making the future numbers look better than if the government formally gave up on them.

The same thing happened with Labor’s means test on the health insurance rebate. Rejected by the Senate, it sat around in the budget books – and then finally was passed. That’s the other reason the government says its controversial measures aren’t dead, just resting. With the unpredictability of Clive Palmer, who knows what might happen later?

As things stand, however, the government continues to get the odium of its budget nasties, without being able to make them happen. Voters have been hit psychologically, but the degree to which they’ll lose out in practical terms is yet to be seen.

In a healthy dose of pragmatism, the government finally swallowed its pride and split the social services legislation, which means it has Labor’s agreement to pass $2.7 billion worth of measures, including a changed means test for Family Tax Benefit B. But this was only a small part of the total welfare package.

Meanwhile it has been on a spending spree since the budget, with $630 million promised for security, and the commitment to the Middle East conflict that will have a substantial and probably long term price tag.

How much effort it will make to try to find offsets for the mid-year budget update, released in December, hasn’t yet been determined.

One line of thinking is that it is best to concentrate on the medium and longer term rhetoric of fixing the budget – that trying to make big new savings now which perhaps could not be delivered is counter productive.

One area that is relatively easy to target, however, is foreign aid, and The Australian on Thursday reported that it is set to be cut.


Julie Bishop’s muscle flexing is getting much attention in the media.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, annoyed at the article, sounded icily determined when interviewed on the ABC. “We will abide by the commitments we made,” she said. That might go by the board in the end but it sounded like a “don’t mess with me” message to colleagues (which she reportedly delivered to them personally later).

Bishop’s current muscle flexing is getting much attention in the media - and being observed by other ministers.

After speculation in recent weeks about the possibility of a homeland security portfolio being created, headed by the ambitious Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, Bishop this week told The Australian “if there were such a proposal, it would have to demonstrate any current failures in co-operation between the intelligence agencies, federal and state police and Defence and I am not aware of any such failures.”

The Foreign Minister is on a roll, prominent at question time, relishing the golden glow of favourable publicity, with some of this week’s commentary casting her as possibly eventually becoming Australia’s first Liberal woman prime minister.

Right now, she’s the team’s celebrity player, and willing to differentiate her product from that of the captain. Asked on Thursday whether she was confronted by a woman wearing a burqa, she said “I’m not confronted by clothing”.
 
Clarke and Dawe, as clever as always.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/clarke-and-dawe--factory-recall/5785728
 
Tigers of Old said:
Abbott threatens to 'shirtfront' the Russian President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ruCWdyRzY

Enough already somebody stop this lunatic.

Another doozy was his 'coal is good for humanity' line. :help
 
Tigers of Old said:
Abbott threatens to 'shirtfront' the Russian President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ruCWdyRzY

Enough already somebody stop this lunatic.

Gotta laugh at him Putin would only have to breathe on him and he'd run away crying.
 
Putin is ex KGB and a Judo champion, don't particularly like Putin very much but would be great if he put an armlock on Tony until he cries.
 
antman said:
Putin is ex KGB and a Judo champion, don't particularly like Putin very much but would be great if he put an armlock on Tony until he cries.

They both like getting naked too, could set up a jelly wrestling bout with Tones in his Speedos & Vlad in his Grizzly Man outfit.
 
antman said:
Putin is ex KGB and a Judo champion, don't particularly like Putin very much but would be great if he put an armlock on Tony until he cries.

Just bring Ivan Drago out and Tone will escape like a gazelle.
 
Abbott's probably running Frankie's "Two Tribes" music video on repeat to get himself pumped up for the big face off.
 
Baloo said:
Abbott's probably running Frankie's "Two Tribes" music video on repeat to get himself pumped up for the big face off.

Great song and video. Will Tone be as gutsy as Ronnie was and squash Putin's nuts or bite his ear?
 
In all seriousness, this is our prime minister. This is a man who, with preparation and forethought, resorts to schoolyard threats when dealing with serious issues. And gets through it in the most awkward manner possible. And with what is clearly no follow through, so it's completely pointless anyway.

Also, in what way is that statement a useful message to the population? It goes two possible ways; 1, we see he's an idiot and laugh at him, or, 2, we think he's serious and increase the tension/anger/aggression between two countries.

No doubt it's a matter we need to take a tough stance on, but increasing aggression through this sort of language isn't just idiotic, it's dangerous, especially for a person in such a position of responsibility. I know enough idiots who will now be wanting to round up Russians, muslims, and any other ethnic background with some vague difference to their own, because of Tony's wormlike, emotive, fearmongering.
 
Coburgtiger said:
In all seriousness, this is our prime minister. This is a man who, with preparation and forethought, resorts to schoolyard threats when dealing with serious issues. And gets through it in the most awkward manner possible. And with what is clearly no follow through, so it's completely pointless anyway.

Also, in what way is that statement a useful message to the population? It goes two possible ways; 1, we see he's an idiot and laugh at him, or, 2, we think he's serious and increase the tension/anger/aggression between two countries.

No doubt it's a matter we need to take a tough stance on, but increasing aggression through this sort of language isn't just idiotic, it's dangerous, especially for a person in such a position of responsibility. I know enough idiots who will now be wanting to round up Russians, muslims, and any other ethnic background with some vague difference to their own, because of Tony's wormlike, emotive, fearmongering.
Do you really? Thats scary.
 
billyb#40 said:
Do you really? Thats scary.

Yep. That's what you get for living in Broady. There's a lot of morons out there that follow whatever a conservative leader and the herald sun tells them.
 
Gotta love it when people have to resort to kicking Broady or Frankston so they can feel better about themselves......
 
tigertim said:
Gotta love it when people have to resort to kicking Broady or Frankston so they can feel better about themselves......

What are you on about? Living in Broady makes me feel worse about myself.

Is that better?