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Carter said:
Shorten is unelectable but I suspect the backroom boys know this and will unleash Alby six months out.

The libs will follow suit with Turnbull.

Both parties know they cannot win the next election with incumbents.
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So if neither change leaders the Greens win?
 
an abbot / shorten election would result in minority for the victor at best. the greens would gain seats, that's for sure.
 
Preferential voting makes that very unlikely Carts. And voters still tend to elect parties - leaders are only one factor in this.

I do take your point that they are both crap though
 
antman said:
Preferential voting makes that very unlikely Carts. And voters still tend to elect parties - leaders are only one factor in this.

I do take your point that they are both crap though
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no, I'm talking about the senate dude.

neither party can gain traction here with what they're currently selling. I suspect both will change leader because of this. but closer to striking distance.
 
antman said:
No you weren't.

I don't think either will change leaders now... Even though they both should!
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You've got my vote there Antman!

KnightersRevenge said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/08/the-return-of-helen-demidenko-on-culture-war-and-the-value-of-truth

After watching an interesting video, which has many inserts from Anonymous, I think the rabbit hole really will 'go through to China' soon... If even half of what it contained was true, there is some scary, scary stuff going on in the world.

Australia's libertarian whack-job has a blast-from-the-past whack job on staff. Don't tell me Australian politics can't get weirder. We're heading down the rabbit hole folks...
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antman said:
I don't think either will change leaders now... Even though they both should!
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There's enough time for these cretins to change leaders more than once if recent history is any guide.
 
Carter said:
There's enough time for these cretins to change leaders more than once if recent history is any guide.
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There is enough time true Carts.. but changing leader is admitting you've been doing it wrong, and the thing is that you don't want the electorate to think that. Arguably paid off for Labor/Gillard for one election.

Problem is who would replace Abbott? Turnbull is the darling of the centre and (as far as is possible for a Liberal) the Left - but for the same reason the culture warriors and rabid right can't stomach him. Problem is not the electorate but the party - who are his first electorate.

Labor? Albo? Is he much different to Shorten?
 
As poppa mentioned earlier, I reckon the ALP could do a lot worse than Ed Husic. While I also wouldn't mind Penny Wong, I just don't know how she would go in the eyes of the electorate...
 
Here's how it'll play.

The Libs will know that they cannot secure the swingers with Abbot.

They can with Turnbull, so they ditch the PM six months out.

Now Labor has a problem cos they can't secure the swingers against Turnbull.

So they say hello Albo. They need him to secure the Labor heartland, which has been bleeding further left to the Greens.

The end result?

Probably another constipated government, gridlocked in the senate.

But at least we would've taken a step to the left along the major party axis.
 
What are everyone's thoughts on the current approval of the Shenua mine outside of Gunnedah?

For me, I am still in shock!

"Foodbowl of Australia" anyone...?
 
I haven't looked too deeply into it, and typically my cynicism goes into overdrive when farmers start whinging, but on the face of it I don't see the sense in ruining productive farming land.
 
mld said:
I haven't looked too deeply into it, and typically my cynicism goes into overdrive when farmers start whinging, but on the face of it I don't see the sense in ruining productive farming land.
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I haven't looked to much into it either. But for my 2 cents, the typical open cut mine doesnt have that much land - 1 farms worth?? The over burden gets stock piled and replaced when they are done. Whats the big deal? Lotsa jobs in the middle of no where (apologies my geography aint great).
 
Tiger Rob said:
I haven't looked to much into it either. But for my 2 cents, the typical open cut mine doesnt have that much land - 1 farms worth?? The over burden gets stock piled and replaced when they are done. Whats the big deal? Lotsa jobs in the middle of no where (apologies my geography aint great).
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Fair point. I certainly wouldn't be astonished if the complaints are over exaggerated.
 
If you have a bit of a read about it, I'm afraid you are both off the mark.

The project is going to be huge, about 1 1/2 times the size of Melbourne, and will disrupt the water tables for many farms. As for workers, if you read a letter from A Robb, it paved the way for Chinese workers to come across to build and run it.

If it goes ahead, there will be nothing positive in it for Australia, only for the politicians (think Visy environmental ambassadors) and the Libs being able to make out that the increase in cash is something they have been planning for over the past two years.

Being from farming stock, I am also a bit... disappointed about the comments on farmers being whingers. While there is a long way to go, A LOT of farmland is being bought up by the Chinese (mainly) and now massive mines are being allowed. If you add this to CSG the future is far from bright for Australia's ag industry and the good price we pay for very high quality fruit and veg.

If anyone is interested...
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/shenhua-watermark-coal-mines-footprint-larger-than-sydney-melbourne-cbds-20150709-gi8fl7.html
http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/chafta/official-documents/Documents/chafta-side-letter-on-skills-assessment-and-licensing.pdf
 
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