Talking Politics

[Ian4]

silly season has begun and the LNP is that desperate, they are handing preferences to the greens in some of the inner city Melbourne seats. seems like they're happy to sell their soul to win.

btw, why the hell aren't preference deals banned anyway? this is gonna be the year of the donkey vote methinks.

 

[Baloo]

I'm surprised they are so close in the polls. What's Shorten done ?

 

[IanG]

I'm surprised they are so close in the polls. What's Shorten done ?

Who is so close, the LNP or the ALP? Shorten has improved his message and the ALP are actually coming out with some policies that are gaining traction, otherwise the LNP would be in the lead.

 

[Ian4]

I'm surprised they are so close in the polls. What's Shorten done ?

you should be asking what the government has done. all we hearing is the typical LNP "who do you trust" rhetoric (ironic when Morrison just got caught out in a lie and refuses to apologise for it) and the usual scare tactics. little bit of substance please.

 

[Baloo]

Who is so close, the LNP or the ALP? Shorten has improved his message and the ALP are actually coming out with some policies that are gaining traction, otherwise the LNP would be in the lead.

The race seems very close. Fro the life of me I can't see anything of note coming out of the ALP

you should be asking what the government has done. all we hearing is the typical LNP "who do you trust" rhetoric (ironic when Morrison just got caught out in a lie and refuses to apologise for it) and the usual scare tactics. little bit of substance please.

I can understand that sentiment. Ideally Malcolm in the Middle gets a chance to do what he wants. I can't help but think he's being undermined by the neocons in the LNP.

Should be an interesting 8 weeks.

 

[tigersnake]

The race seems very close. Fro the life of me I can't see anything of note coming out of the ALP

I can understand that sentiment. Ideally Malcolm in the Middle gets a chance to do what he wants. I can't help but think he's being undermined by the neocons in the LNP.

on the first point, they have come out with a few thing, its always n Shorten's dullsville style, but a few things, education funding, NG, an ETS. A big factor is the government have been terrible.

On the second point, undermined is one thing, getting done like a dinner is another. Don't buy it, I don't think MT is the in-touch beacon of enlightenment he'd have us believe. Action has been pretty much 180 degrees from rhetoric, and not all of it would seem to be due to this. Also, I read the other day that his vote would actually INCREASE if he ran against his party, did his own thing, like Fraser and Rudd did.

 

[Giardiasis]

 

[K3]

on the first point, they have come out with a few thing, its always n Shorten's dullsville style, but a few things, education funding, NG, an ETS. A big factor is the government have been terrible.

On the second point, undermined is one thing, getting done like a dinner is another. Don't buy it, I don't think MT is the in-touch beacon of enlightenment he'd have us believe. Action has been pretty much 180 degrees from rhetoric, and not all of it would seem to be due to this. Also, I read the other day that his vote would actually INCREASE if he ran against his party, did his own thing, like Fraser and Rudd did.

If he chose he could have headed down a similar path to Xenophon, but he chose to stay in with the Libs so that he had a shot at being Prime Minister. Even though he had to sell-out to the neocons, I bet he is wrapped in himself at achieving his lifetime goal. I used to be a fan of Malcolm's but no longer am, and while I find Shorten about as inspiring as paper mache, I get the impression that Labor is getting back to being a progressive party again, instead of just a bunch of nuff-nuffs running around in circles.

Should be an interesting campaign, that's for sure!

 

[Sintiger]

you should be asking what the government has done. all we hearing is the typical LNP "who do you trust" rhetoric (ironic when Morrison just got caught out in a lie and refuses to apologise for it) and the usual scare tactics. little bit of substance please.

I am surprised that Morrison is still getting away with this. (maybe I am not surprised but just disappointed)
It was beyond disgusting what he did to those Save the Children employees and now it has been proven to be so he hasn't the decency to say he is sorry or even admit he was wrong. " i said allegedly" was his answer but he didn't allegedly ship them home based on unfounded garbage. He didn't allegedly try and destroy their reputations as aid workers.
These are people who dedicate their lives to helping others and they deserve better than what they got from Mr Mean and his successor Dutton.

 

[TigerForce]

Bulldogs banner against Poo$ybourne:- :hihi

 

[tigersnake]

Bulldogs banner against Poo$ybourne:- :hihi

Thats good.

The keep the NG status quo campaign is pretty bad. They run a good scare campaign the Libs, hides like rhinos on the misinformation front. The Real Estate Institute have released a 'neutral and independent' report saying the entire economy will collapse. Aussie John is shitting himself, he might have to downsize one of his beach mansions. This in spite of the fact the most conservative institution in the country, the Reserve Bank, says the opposite. Says NG should be wound back.

 

[Sintiger]

Thats good.

The keep the NG status quo campaign is pretty bad. They run a good scare campaign the Libs, hides like rhinos on the misinformation front. The Real Estate Institute have released a 'neutral and independent' report saying the entire economy will collapse. Aussie John is sh!tting himself, he might have to downsize one of his beach mansions. This in spite of the fact the most conservative institution in the country, the Reserve Bank, says the opposite. Says NG should be wound back.

The Libs have stated that they are protecting the "mum and dad" investors who are the bulk of NG users. It would seem to me that if that is so then there is a simple solution. Why not put a cap on NG ? As an example no person can claim interest on (say) more than a $500k loan in any one year ? That would protect the vast majority of the people they are stating they want to protect.

They won't do that because that's not the real reason they are against it. They are protecting their constituency i.e the big end of town, the property lobby, the Banks.

Personally I had some concerns about getting rid of NG and the effect it would have on the real estate market if it was just taken away but I listened to Saul Eslake on Lateline a week or so ago and changed my mind. We should just get rid of it imo, but phase it out. i.e initially just new investments ineligible and then a progressive phase out.

 

[tigersnake]

The Libs have stated that they are protecting the "mum and dad" investors who are the bulk of NG users. It would seem to me that if that is so then there is a simple solution. Why not put a cap on NG ? As an example no person can claim interest on (say) more than a $500k loan in any one year ? That would protect the vast majority of the people they are stating they want to protect.

They won't do that because that's not the real reason they are against it. They are protecting their constituency i.e the big end of town, the property lobby, the Banks.

Personally I had some concerns about getting rid of NG and the effect it would have on the real estate market if it was just taken away but I listened to Saul Eslake on Lateline a week or so ago and changed my mind. We should just get rid of it imo, but phase it out. i.e initially just new investments ineligible and then a progressive phase out.

agree with all that. I've been saying for years, why not limit it to 1, even 2 properties only? and yes, a cap would make perfect sense.

But I agree 100%, if it was up to me, can it altogether, its bad policy. But politics being what it is, slow movement is the reality.

Even if it does have an effect on the market, and I'm skeptical it would, all it would do is bring down prices of entry-level homes by maybe 5%, 10% at the absolute outside in some areas. Why is that bad? It is good for a large number of people. Even if it brings down prices, for arguments sake, 5% across the board, if you are upgrading or moving, you get 5% less when you sell and pay 5% less when you buy.

My boss has a few investment properties, he cannot believe it isn't limited to one or two.

The lies being peddled on this is pathetic.

 

[Sintiger]

agree with all that. I've been saying for years, why not limit it to 1, even 2 properties only? and yes, a cap would make perfect sense.

But I agree 100%, if it was up to me, can it altogether, its bad policy. But politics being what it is, slow movement is the reality.

Even if it does have an effect on the market, and I'm skeptical it would, all it would do is bring down prices of entry-level homes by maybe 5%, 10% at the absolute outside in some areas. Why is that bad? It is good for a large number of people. Even if it brings down prices, for arguments sake, 5% across the board, if you are upgrading or moving, you get 5% less when you sell and pay 5% less when you buy.

My boss has a few investment properties, he cannot believe it isn't limited to one or two.

The lies being peddled on this is pathetic.

My issue with limiting to one property is two things

1. Not all NG is on property
2. Why should a loan of $1 million on one property be allowed and 2 loans of $500k each on two properties not be?

That's why I think a cap is better

 

[tigersnake]

Makes sense, plus the billionaires would buy a waterfornt mansion worth $10mill and call that their 1 property.

 

[Brodders17]

according to the LIbs the Labour policy will not make housing more affordable for those looking to buy whilst at the same time costly those who own houses a fortune as their property value drops.

the 'mums and dads' & 'nurses and teachers' argument is a furphy too. many 'middle-class' folk might negative gear, but i doubt it makes much difference to the majority. the rick might be the minority in numbers, but i bet they are the ones making most of the profits from NG.

and regardless of your political view i reckon the doggies banner was pretty good.

 

[Baloo]

No arguments from me to remove or curtail NG. But I wonder how many other ALP Ministers have 2.3m NG properties they've forgotten about...

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

No comment on the imminent report from Infrastructure Victoria listing the East West Link as a key project in the state's future? Andrews is a liar and a thief on a massive scale, and anyone who voted for him on the basis of East West is a party to the crime. This is what happens when the lunatic fringe is pandered to. Arguably a more disastrous reign than Cain/Kirner. Catastrophes like Andrews will get us long before "global warming" ever has a chance.

*smile* Labor to hell.

 

[IanG]

No comment on the imminent report from Infrastructure Victoria listing the East West Link as a key project in the state's future? Andrews is a liar and a thief on a massive scale, and anyone who voted for him on the basis of East West is a party to the crime. This is what happens when the lunatic fringe is pandered to. Arguably a more disastrous reign than Cain/Kirner. Catastrophes like Andrews will get us long before "global warming" ever has a chance.

What catastrophe?

 

[Brodders17]

No comment on the imminent report from Infrastructure Victoria listing the East West Link as a key project in the state's future? Andrews is a liar and a thief on a massive scale, and anyone who voted for him on the basis of East West is a party to the crime. This is what happens when the lunatic fringe is pandered to. Arguably a more disastrous reign than Cain/Kirner. Catastrophes like Andrews will get us long before "global warming" ever has a chance.

*smile* Labor to hell.

i believe you are basing your post on an article in the Hun? so there wont be any comment from me because A) i wont read it (unless someone posts it here, or the Hun is in a cafe and i finish reading the sport before my coffee is ready), and B) even if i did read it, i wouldnt believe it. the herald sun is a disgraceful rag. the fact it has influence in this state is also a disgrace.