Talking Politics

[antman]

Only if you ignore the context (wilfully or not), this explains it pretty well since you seem to need an explanation:

The philosophical flaw in saying "All Lives Matter" - Prospect Magazine

Its effect is to stall conversations about anti-Black racism and instead either pretend that all lives do matter, or talk about everybody’s lives all at once—whether or not particular groups are subject to particular injustices right now

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk

Yeah. We all know why he said it. McGowan's seriously an idiot - hasn't he seen what happens to Trumpian politicians recently?

There are calls by major newspaper editorials in Texas to remove Ted Cruz from the senate - those 11 or so GOP senators who supported trump through EC votes debacle following the insurrection attempt are really getting hammered in their own states right now.

 

[Giardiasis]

Only if you ignore the context (wilfully or not), this explains it pretty well since you seem to need an explanation:

The philosophical flaw in saying "All Lives Matter" - Prospect Magazine

Its effect is to stall conversations about anti-Black racism and instead either pretend that all lives do matter, or talk about everybody’s lives all at once—whether or not particular groups are subject to particular injustices right now

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk

We aren’t going to get anywhere focussing social analysis on the oppression of arbitrary group identities, especially those that can’t even be objectively defined. The interpretation of the statement “all lives matters” in the article is how a lot of people choose to interpret the statement but it isn’t the only interpretation and people are quick to just assume the worst without seeking to discuss further. Basically you are guilty immediately after uttering the words. There is no method for anyone to discuss this problem rationally it is my way or the highway and it ultimately leads to violence.

I could interpret the statement “black lives matter” as meaning Black Lives Matter more than other lives. Perhaps I should just assume this and seek to suppress anyone that utters these words? That is the response that so many on the modern left take to people that say “all lives matter”. That’s the real disgrace Chris Bowen.

 

[IanG]

We aren’t going to get anywhere focussing social analysis on the oppression of arbitrary group identities, especially those that can’t even be objectively defined. The interpretation of the statement “all lives matters” in the article is how a lot of people choose to interpret the statement but it isn’t the only interpretation and people are quick to just assume the worst without seeking to discuss further. Basically you are guilty immediately after uttering the words. There is no method for anyone to discuss this problem rationally it is my way or the highway and it ultimately leads to violence.

Thats an excuse if you're ignorant about the context, the acting PM of the country shouldn't be ignorant and I would submit isn't ignorant (blofield probably is though). Like the article states: "Its effect is to stall conversations about anti-Black racism and instead either pretend that all lives do matter, or talk about everybody’s lives all at once, whether or not particular groups are subject to particular, potentially fatal injustices right now. "

 

[Brodders17]

Thats an excuse if you're ignorant about the context, the acting PM of the country shouldn't be ignorant and I would submit isn't ignorant (blofield probably is though). Like the article states: "Its effect is to stall conversations about anti-Black racism and instead either pretend that all lives do matter, or talk about everybody’s lives all at once, whether or not particular groups are subject to particular, potentially fatal injustices right now. "

it really isnt worth 'debating' with someone who doesnt think race is a thing, who doesnt think people get treated differently due to their skin colour, who equate teh BLM movement with those attacking the US parliament, who think Trump is just the same as any other politician, and whos views are all defined through his "libertarian" world view which does not allow anything which doesnt fit that belief to be considered.

 

[antman]

We aren’t going to get anywhere focussing social analysis on the oppression of arbitrary group identities, especially those that can’t even be objectively defined. The interpretation of the statement “all lives matters” in the article is how a lot of people choose to interpret the statement but it isn’t the only interpretation and people are quick to just assume the worst without seeking to discuss further. Basically you are guilty immediately after uttering the words. There is no method for anyone to discuss this problem rationally it is my way or the highway and it ultimately leads to violence.

you just used a lot of words to describe the practice of dog-whistling. And you still got it wrong.

 

[Giardiasis]

Thats an excuse if you're ignorant about the context, the acting PM of the country shouldn't be ignorant and I would submit isn't ignorant (blofield probably is though). Like the article states: "Its effect is to stall conversations about anti-Black racism and instead either pretend that all lives do matter, or talk about everybody’s lives all at once, whether or not particular groups are subject to particular, potentially fatal injustices right now. "

The context you refer to is your interpretation; understand that your interpretation is not an objective fact. Dismissing others as ignorant because they don't share your base assumptions is lazy and not going to help people to resolve differences around this issue.

 

[Giardiasis]

it really isnt worth 'debating' with someone who doesnt think race is a thing, who doesnt think people get treated differently due to their skin colour, who equate teh BLM movement with those attacking the US parliament, who think Trump is just the same as any other politician, and whos views are all defined through his "libertarian" world view which does not allow anything which doesnt fit that belief to be considered.

Is Obama black or white? People do indeed get treated differently for their skin colour (people like you actively call for it), the BLM violent protests and Capitol building violent protests are indeed both violent, Trump is as much a statist as Biden, everyone's views are defined by their own world view (you aren't immune to that) and I'm happy to debate and allow the best ideas to win (it is people like you that actively call for speech to be restricted and cheer US Big tech to shut out certain views).

 

[Giardiasis]

you just used a lot of words to describe the practice of dog-whistling. And you still got it wrong.

You just used a few words to waste everyone's time with a vague accusation that can't be proved.

 

[antman]

You just used a few words to waste everyone's time with a vague accusation that can't be proved.

Everyone knows what a dog-whistle is and that's what MM was doing.

I can't prove that to you mathematically, but still, it is what it is.

 

[Giardiasis]

Everyone knows what a dog-whistle is and that's what MM was doing.

I can't prove that to you mathematically, but still, it is what it is.

Criticise a claim I made otherwise please leave bs dog-whistling claims out of it.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Robot debt anyone?

'A colossal stain': Dutch Government resigns over tax scandal

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's Government has resigned, accepting responsibility for wrongful accusations of fraud by the national tax authorities that drove thousands of families to financial ruin, often on the basis of ethnicity.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Brodders17]

Robot debt anyone?

'A colossal stain': Dutch Government resigns over tax scandal

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's Government has resigned, accepting responsibility for wrongful accusations of fraud by the national tax authorities that drove thousands of families to financial ruin, often on the basis of ethnicity.

www.abc.net.au

You dont expect anyone in this Liberal government to take responsibility for their *smile* ups, do you? There wouldn't be many left if they did.
I guess when the PM and deputy PM are happy to allow government members to deal in 'alternative' facts it makes it easy to deflect blame.

 

[DavidSSS]

it really isnt worth 'debating' with someone who doesnt think race is a thing, who doesnt think people get treated differently due to their skin colour, who equate teh BLM movement with those attacking the US parliament, who think Trump is just the same as any other politician, and whos views are all defined through his "libertarian" world view which does not allow anything which doesnt fit that belief to be considered.

Ignoring context is convenient for neo-libs, luckily most of us can see it for the BS that it is.

DS

 

[IanG]

I guess when the PM and deputy PM are happy to allow government members to deal in 'alternative' facts it makes it easy to deflect blame.

Its also easy when the mainstream media completely fails to hold them to account

 

[IanG]

The Federal Government at work doing what they do best, nothing:

Banking royal commission: most recommendations have been abandoned or delayed

Analysis shows 44 of Kenneth Hayne’s 76 recommendations have yet to be implemented and five have been abandoned

www.theguardian.com

 

[tigerman]

Robot debt anyone?

'A colossal stain': Dutch Government resigns over tax scandal

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's Government has resigned, accepting responsibility for wrongful accusations of fraud by the national tax authorities that drove thousands of families to financial ruin, often on the basis of ethnicity.

www.abc.net.au

The guy has more integrity than Morrison who was up to his ears as treasurer in the robodebt disgrace. Fat chance of Scotty from marketing resigning.

 

[Brodders17]

The Federal Government at work doing what they do best, nothing:

Banking royal commission: most recommendations have been abandoned or delayed

Analysis shows 44 of Kenneth Hayne’s 76 recommendations have yet to be implemented and five have been abandoned

www.theguardian.com

of course they arent implementing to RC's recommendations, they never wanted the RC in the first place.
the banks can do what they like.
people on a centrelink benefit though will literally be hounded to death, even when they are not in the wrong.

 

[glantone]

it really isnt worth 'debating' with someone who doesnt think race is a thing, who doesnt think people get treated differently due to their skin colour, ............

Race is a thing and skin colour does matter. Unfortunately. All over the world. Can’t think of a country where having darker skin commands more respect or is associated with privilege. It reflects class. Money.

Thai’s with light skin regard Thais with dark skin as low class, best suited to positions of servitude or farming. Dark skinned Thais are under represented in most industries where image ‘counts.’ Would not surprise if the rest of oriental asia was similar.

Apparently in the arab world, a word still in popular usage for black people is ‘abeed’ which means slave. Imagine using the word ‘slave’ when talking about black people here...

Even in India and Africa the rich like to have light skin.

Ironically woke identity politics and far right wingers will ensure that race and skin pigmentation (and religion) remain long term important considerations in how we view one another here.

 

[antman]

Race is a thing and skin colour does matter. Unfortunately. All over the world. Can’t think of a country where having darker skin commands more respect or is associated with privilege. It reflects class. Money.

Thai’s with light skin regard Thais with dark skin as low class, best suited to positions of servitude or farming. Dark skinned Thais are under represented in most industries where image ‘counts.’ Would not surprise if the rest of oriental asia was similar.

Same in Indonesia G-tone. Darker skin is associated with outdoor work, therefore lower class. It's not strictly a "race" thing. Paler skin is associated with beauty for women. interesting it then becomes chicken and egg, if you work outside you get darker skin and are therefore not "suitable" for other employment.

Foreign guys who come to Indoneesia tend to go for exotic looking girls, so they tend to go darker, or at least they don't care. Indonesian locals don't understand this as they consider darker to be "ugly".

 

[Baloo]

Thai’s with light skin regard Thais with dark skin as low class, best suited to positions of servitude or farming. Dark skinned Thais are under represented in most industries where image ‘counts.’ Would not surprise if the rest of oriental asia was similar.

Yet when I was growing up in everyone was reaching for a bottle of Reef Oil when the first spring/summer days arrived in the hope of getting a nice rich dark tan. Always felt sorry for the rangas.