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Panthera Tigris

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This is unrelated, but in what looks like being further good news for Tasmanians is the development of the Seven Mile Beach Golf Club just outside of Hobart. Near the airport.

This has been 12 years or so in the making due to - I hate to say it again a few Tasmanian naysayers, mostly environmentalists- but it is in full “swing” now (see how I did that ?) and going by the pictures I got the other day and from what I’m hearing from people on the ground there, this is going to be one hell of a golf course. Something that might surpass Barnbougle but be right on Hobart’s door step. Outstanding tourism and hospitality benefits. Ecological improvement (!) for the area because up until now it’s just been a continually re harvested radiata pine area.

Designed by Mike De Vries one of the best architects in the world right now.

We’re talking Australian Open possibilities here.

Between that and potentially an AFL team, things are looking up for Tassie which is really bloody pleasing to see.

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The ‘Arm End’ course at Opossum Bay is in the early stages of development also. Beautiful piece of land in terms of the vistas. The developers there probably even more blessed than the Seven Mile Beach crowd, regarding the god given geography they have to work with.

As an aside, I do wonder, as collateral damage, if it could spell the end of some legacy clubs in the area. Royal Hobart (also at Seven Mile Beach) appears safe, holding onto its mantle as the premier legacy private club. But Tasmania Golf Club by Hobart Airport seems to me to be in trouble.

The club has been struggling for a while. Was always no.2 to Royal Hobart and social trends have changed. People playing in the traditional mould of being a member of an expensive private club have been in decline for decades. Time poor society, other entertainment and recreational options among others. Hence, some legacy private clubs like Tasmania GC find themselves in no man’s land. Like I say, nearby Royal Hobart seems ok, trading off its premier status. A few of the cheaper 9 hole clubs in the area, pretty healthy numbers also (some better than others, it really is an area saturated with golf courses) - I suppose they cater better to the time and flexibility factor, as well as cost.

Premium public courses also cater to changing societal trends than the traditional private club model. Probably doesn’t help that Tasmania GC is also about to loose one of their fairways with the bordering Tasman Hwy widening. They are trying to come up with contingency solutions. But it’s yet another blow to an already struggling club.
 
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The ‘Arm End’ course at Opossum Bay is in the early stages of development also. Beautiful piece of land in terms of the vistas. The developers there probably even more blessed than the Seven Mile Beach crowd, regarding the god given geography they have to work with.

I do wonder, as collateral damage, if it could spell the end of some legacy clubs in the area. Royal Hobart (also at Seven Mile Beach) appears safe, holding onto its mantle as the premier legacy private club. But Tasmania Golf Club by Hobart Airport seems to me to be in trouble.

The club has been struggling for a while. Was always no.2 to Royal Hobart and social trends have changed. People playing in the traditional mould of being a member of an expensive private club have been in decline for decades. Time poor society, other entertainment and recreational options among others. Hence, some legacy private clubs like Tasmania find themselves in no man’s land. Like I say, nearby Royal Hobart seems ok, trading off its premier status. A few of the cheaper 9 hole clubs in the area, pretty healthy numbers also (some better than others, it really is an area saturated with golf courses) - I suppose they cater better to the time and flexibility factor, as well as cost. Premium public courses also cater to changing societal trends than the traditional private club model. Probably doesn’t help that Tasmania GC is also about to loose one of their fairways with the bordering Tasman Hwy widening. They are trying to come up with contingency solutions. But it’s yet another blow to an already struggling club.
Nah. Tasmania Golf Club has always been or largely been, ranked ahead of Royal Hobart. Maybe that’s changed recently but TGC has had a higher course ranking than Royal over time. Personally, I find Royal boring. TGC is more challenging - especially on a windy day - has great vistas to boot. Has undulations and weaves its way through the property. Royal is dead flat and tends to move up and back for the greater part. Most Victorians I know who have played both prefer TGC as well.

They are still the pre eminent private club imo. They have won something like 10 of the last 12 Div 1 state pennants and supply most of the Tasmanian Interstate Teams members. Andrew Phillips, Nathan Gatehouse etc etc. They subsequently totally own Royal when it comes to competitive golf as well. If you want the “Royal” moniker as part of your golf membership then great. But it really doesn’t have the same application as other “Royal”
courses around the world.

They are about to embark on a new re routing of the entire course at TGC. I’ve seen the plans. Looks great. The 16th will move inland and run right to left a bit to accomodate the roadworks, but otherwise it will remain a par 5 and play even longer. (It will actually be the 14th as part of the re routing).

TGC have stable finances now. They’re ok.

7 Mile won’t be a members course so I don’t see it having much impact either.
 
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Nah. Tasmania Golf Club has always been or largely been, ranked ahead of Royal Hobart. Maybe that’s changed recently but TGC has had a higher course ranking than Royal.

They are still the pre eminent private club imo. They have won something like 10 of the last 12 Div 1 state pennants and supply most of the Tasmanian Interstate Teams members. Andrew Phillips, Nathan Gatehouse etc etc. They subsequently totally own Royal when it comes to competitive golf as well.

They are about to embark on a new re routing of the entire course. I’ve seen the plans. Looks great. The 16th will move inland and run right to left a bit to accomodate the roadworks, but otherwise it will remain a par 5 and play even longer. (It will actually be the 14th as part of the re routing).

TGC have stable finances now. They’re ok.

7 Mile won’t be a members course so I don’t see it having much impact either.
When I was a kid, my father played. When we first moved to Hobart, he was a member of RHGC. But moved to Tasmania, because he hated the wank factor of the RHGC membership base. It was always seen as the place to be for the wanky networking factor. That’s more what I was getting at. He much preferred the more down to earth feel of Tasmania. Plus, they were more purely a golf club, as opposed to a wanky country club under the guise of golf. Played plenty of rounds there, with my cut down kid’s clubs.

As you suggest, I think the RH course might be ranked ahead of Tasmania now marginally, but could be wrong. No doubt the developments you mention may well bring it back.

On a side note, Andrew Philips was actually The year above me at school. Nice fella.

What bought Tasmania back into healthy finances? Some money bequeathed them from wealthy members? Because they were until relatively recently I understand, in trouble.

Claremont Golf Club, another legacy 18 hole private club in the northern suburbs - again, another sensational piece of land - I sometimes wonder how long that club will last. Bought themselves some time by selling off some land for a ‘lifestyle’ housing development. That was a welcome cash injection. But if numbers playing under the traditional club model dwindle and you are not able to attract casual players (especially with these new courses), what exactly is your raison d’être? It’s a natural evolution I suppose.
 
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When I was a kid, my father played. When we first moved to Hobart, he was a member of RHGC. But moved to Tasmania, because he hated the wank factor of the RHGC membership base. It was always seen as the place to be for the wanky networking factor. That’s more what I was getting at. He much preferred the more down to earth feel of Tasmania. Plus, they were more purely a golf club, as opposed to a wanky country club under the guise of golf.

As you suggest, I think the course might be ranked ahead of Tasmania now marginally, but could be wrong. No doubt the developments you mention may well bring it back.

On a side note, Andrew Philips was actually The year above me at school. Nice fella.

What bought Tasmania back into healthy finances? Some money bequeathed them from wealthy members? Because they were until relatively recently I understand, in trouble.
I completely understand all of that ….although the Royal members aren’t that bad really. Not nowadays maybe. I’ve got dozens of friends and acquaintances who play there.

“Flog” Phillips and I are good mates.

I talk to the TGC boys every week.
 

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I completely understand all of that ….although the Royal members aren’t that bad really. Not nowadays maybe. I’ve got dozens of friends and acquaintances who play there.

“Flog” Phillips and I are good mates.

I talk to the TGC boys every week.

There were a few of these articles floating around over a couple of years. As well as news from the AGM where the club was worried about it’s existence when the road works were first announced. I guess they must have been successful turning it around.
 

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There were a few of these articles floating around over a couple of years. As well as news from the AGM where the club was worried about it’s existence when the road works were first announced. I guess they must have been successful turning it around.
Yeah that was nearly 8 years ago and yeah they did have some problems, for sure. But my understanding is that between lower water costs now, using the PF for a number of concerts and attracting enough new members, they’re much more stable now.

Anyway, so we don’t de-rail the AFL Tasmania thread and upset punters like Nobets, heh heh heh, best PM me for any further discussion on Tassie golf.
 
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I think we are forgetting something when talking about the viability of a Tasmanian Aussie Rules club playing in the AFL. Australian Football is a big sport in 1 country, and in that country there are 2 states where it is not the biggest football code. Tasmania is an Australian Rules state, the game needs to hold on and remain the biggest football code everywhere it has that status. There are a lot of other options these days, there is a lot of sport available in easy reach on the TV these days, if Australian Rules is to thrive it must, at the very least, hold on to the areas where it is the most popular football code. Tasmania needs a team.

The AFL should be ashamed of their behaviour in making it so difficult. Yes, they likely need a new stadium, but it should not be an up front requirement and the AFL needs to pitch in more of the funding. The funding is to make sure Australian Rules can thrive in Tasmania, otherwise the AFL is responsible for letting a traditional Australian Rules state stop being an Australian Rules state.

On the golf, bearing in mind I haven't played in years although might try again one day as my tendonitis seems to be mostly better, Australia has always had more public golf courses than places like Europe, Japan, the US. While the private club model is still the main model for golf, in Australia it has always been more possible to play good courses without being a club member. The opportunities to take up the game when you have no access to private clubs needs to be retained.

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Here is the most significant moment of my 2022 football season.
I follow Longford in the Northern Tasmanian Football Association. Mid-season, I arrived at the Longford ground at 1.30pm on a Saturday to find the senior match nearly over. When I asked why, I was told, “Because it’s the under-18 round”.
Clubs in Tasmania are struggling for numbers.

Clubs in Tasmania are struggling for numbers.CREDIT: SEBASTIAN COSTANZO
At the end of the senior match, the players from the two senior sides lined up to clap the under-18 teams on to the ground. The crowd roared, cars tooted, the young men leapt like salmons. The crowd stayed and gave the under-18 match their full support. Why? Because, in Tasmania, a growing number of young men and women are indifferent to the game.
Former Hawthorn player Peter Schwab told me that once, when legendary coach Allan “Yabby” Jeans was delivering a pre-match pep talk, the odd thought occurred to him that, “this only matters because we agree it does”. In Tasmania, a significant number of young people – plus any number of affluent refugees from other states – no longer think that footy matters.

About five years ago, the then president of Glenorchy Football Club, John McCann, said the ecology of Tasmanian football was sick. The ecology of Tasmanian football is now beginning to collapse with clubs around the island struggling for numbers.
Ex-Hawk Peter Hudson.

Ex-Hawk Peter Hudson.CREDIT:THE AGE
Earlier this month, Glenorchy, one of the powerhouses of Tasmanian football in the post-war period, let it be known that it will struggle to field a men’s team this season. A list of players who have come to the VFL/AFL via Glenorchy Football Club would include Darryl Sutton, Rodney Eade, Adrian Fletcher, Andy Lovell, Ben Brown, Jimmy Webster, Daryn Cresswell, Brodie Holland and Matthew Mansfield.
Another big name to play with Glenorchy was Peter Hudson, one of six geniuses of Australian football to emerge from Tasmania during the 1960s (the other five being Darrell Baldock, Ian Stewart, Royce Hart, Brent Crosswell and Johnny Greening). At Hawthorn, over 129 games, Hudson averaged 5.6 goals a match, the highest average in VFL/AFL history.
Hudson started with the Upper Derwent Football Club, which no longer exists. He then played with New Norfolk, which is struggling for numbers. When he returned to Tasmania from Hawthorn, he joined Glenorchy, which is now also struggling for numbers. The game is no longer played in government schools. Hudson was a government high school kid. Exactly where does the AFL expect the next Peter Hudson to intersect with the sport except on screens along with other e-games?
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The AFL has a Brexit-like arrogance, the sort that promises grand visions and, within a couple of years, delivers empty supermarkets. Historically, Tasmanian football was valued by the AFL only in so far as it supplied recruits for AFL clubs and provided a guaranteed television audience. The AFL has now promised to spend $30 million on talent academies if the stadium goes ahead. Offering conditional aid in times of crisis is Trumpian.
Nature abhors a vacuum and the vacuum in Tasmanian folk/sporting culture is being filled by NBL club the Jackjumpers. An ABC story three weeks ago revealed that interest in basketball in Tasmania has “skyrocketed”. Basketball Tasmania says it needs 26 new indoor basketball courts around the state. Meanwhile, in the southern third of the island (including the Greater Hobart area), there are only 20 football clubs left.
The JackJumpers and basketball are popular in Tasmania.


Tasmania having a team in the AFL was always a just cause. The critical moment in recent history was when Robert Shaw’s Tasmanian team defeated Victoria in a 1996 state of origin match in Hobart. There was no question that Tasmania could then field a competitive AFL team. Instead, Tasmanian football declined.
Then about five years ago everything changed. There was a concerted movement from the grassroots for Tasmania to get an AFL licence. It had broad support and articulate leadership. It was like hearing an old song, a merry dance tune. Tassie footy was alive and on the move ... and who came along but the AFL making the stadium a condition of Tasmania getting a licence. As the stadium became a mind-numbing and unnecessary distraction, the enthusiasm for a Tasmanian team among Tasmanians has waned.

In the north of the island where I live and where the culture of the game is strongest, I have met one person in favour of the stadium. People are opposed to the stadium because they believe the money could be better spent on the ailing public health system. It has also been noted that Lachlan Murdoch, co-winner of the AFL broadcasting rights, owns the Hobart Mercury which – surprise, surprise – is stridently pro-stadium.
The best argument for the stadium was advanced by Matthew “Richo” Richardson. As a footballer, he was a performer who put it all out there for the crowd to see. Growing up, he loved the Tassie footy scene but, in his heart, he wanted to play on the MCG. If he were a kid again, he believes he’d want to play on the Hobart stadium because, in his view, it’s a grander stage. He also points out that if the Brisbane Lions have had player retention issues, a team based in Launceston can surely expect them.
But the stadium is not the critical issue facing Tasmanian football. The history of popular games is like the history of popular music. There are tracts of America where blues and jazz began and flourished where that music is now hardly heard. Footy was my jazz. I loved it, still do, and that’s why to every footy lover outside Tasmania I say – if the game dies in Tasmania, it can die anywhere. To Richard Goyder and the AFL Commission, I say: you only had one job – to protect and nurture the game. Where have you been?
 

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Tassie people love mentioning that they beat Victoria. It was the Victoria reserves, the actual Victorian team was playing either WA or SA.
 

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Well past time Tassie got a team, now, how do we get back to 18 teams (a Vic merger maybe?).

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Awesome news re the stadium and team itself.

Well well overdue.

Gil oversaw the decline of the sport in the state, but at least has finally delivered what was needed/deserved..

He's given other sports (namely basketball) a massive head start though.
 
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This announcement is rightly pretty exciting for Tasmanians.

Fingers & toes crossed it's a roaring success economically & for grass roots football in Tasmania.

However it's a heck of a lot of money for a stadium if it fails at a time like this & someone somewhere will pay for it.
 
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Think its great for tassie to have a team just can't believe they are dedicating $715 million for only a 23,000 seat stadium
 
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Its a good thing. But I think the AFL tightarse funding approach to a team people care about, $15m apparently, compared to the blank-cheque funding approach to GC and GWS who nobody gives a stuff about stinks.
 
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Its a good thing. But I think the AFL tightarse funding approach to a team people care about, $15m apparently, compared to the blank-cheque funding approach to GC and GWS who nobody gives a stuff about stinks.
Exactly. They've put it all on the Government to stump up despite wasting trillions on those franchises.
 
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Think its great for tassie to have a team just can't believe they are dedicating $715 million for only a 23,000 seat stadium
Gill had them over a barrel.
How come GCS and GWS didn’t need a stadium cost of that amount as a precursor to entering the competition?
Maybe because they’re the afl’s conception.
Anyway at least Tassie gets a modern stadium and more importantly a team in the national comp. Which hopefully gives a massive infusion into the code in Tasmania.
 
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