Terrorist Attacks

[gutfull]

Grow some balls Govt officials ,and EXPORT THESE VERMIN. I don't care if they have farking citizenship revoke it ...

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Yes, I don’t read interstate papers but I googled (not an exact science I appreciate) “terror” or “African youth crime” for other cities and apart from Sydney I could only find 1 or 2 others incidents.

Unless someone directs me to another Australian city with more or equal incidents than melbourne has/is enduring I’m going to be of the belief we have it the worst. And the question is “why”?

Victoria is the most pro-immigration state by far and this is how they repay us. It's happening all over the world. I can't believe there is a single rational person still defending leftist policy. And once again DJT is vindicated - accepting people from certain parts of the world imperils your citizens.

 

[HR]

Take mental ilness more seriously = if you claim mental illness and are a threat to others or act illegally in any manner you stay under government control until you are well. Remove the courts from this process. Eliminate the ability for wankers to claim mental illness and stay on the streets. If released and they continue illegal or dangerous behaviour they go in for good. This isnt about the looneys it is about the public.
Terrorist as a term in my thinking requires a political motivation, unfortunately for the islam crew they mix religion with politics so they are easily tarnished with the terrorist brush.

 

[OldTiger67]

With respect I think you need to read a few more interstate papers Tim. These problems aren't just isolated here.

As reported in the Melbourne News today (sky news) aggravated crime in Melbourne is up 54% since Sept 2014. Unacceptable.

Real solutions are needed NOW. I believe that the police are doing what they can, but the laws clearly do not equip the police and courts adequately.

As mentioned earlier, I think we should be debating solutions rather than apportioning blame.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Victoria is the most pro-immigration state by far and this is how they repay us. It's happening all over the world. I can't believe there is a single rational person still defending leftist policy. And once again DJT is vindicated - accepting people from certain parts of the world imperils your citizens.

Again, the imaginary link between immigration and violent crime.

If you only use the label 'terrorism' when discussing the violent crime of immigrants, it's going to look like all terrorism is caused by immigrants. If you instead look at the rates of violent crime as a population, you always find absolutely zero link between it and immigration.

One woman a week is killed at the hands of her good old true blue Aussie partner, but that's not terrorism, so who cares.

Randomly deporting parts of our population solves nothing. If you want to reduce violent crime, increase access to education, healthcare (physical and mental), and welfare. Treat the cause, not the symptom.

 

[HR]

Again, the imaginary link between immigration and violent crime.

If you only use the label 'terrorism' when discussing the violent crime of immigrants, it's going to look like all terrorism is caused by immigrants. If you instead look at the rates of violent crime as a population, you always find absolutely zero link between it and immigration.

One woman a week is killed at the hands of her good old true blue Aussie partner, but that's not terrorism, so who cares.

Randomly deporting parts of our population solves nothing. If you want to reduce violent crime, increase access to education, healthcare (physical and mental), and welfare. Treat the cause, not the symptom.

So you are thereby saying that "true blue aussie" men are not educated? Phht. Dont have access to the other stuff you mention. Come on CT. By your way of rapair anarchy reigns supreme because there is always an excuse. By the way we do care, as this is being treated by inappropriately proportionate punishments it too will keep happening at the rates it has currently achieved.
Make the punishment mean more, there is a fair bit of education in appropriate punishment too. This is education at its finest. Work on the next generation with the suggestions you mention. But in the mean time remove these scum from the community whenever they pop their heads up, first time. If a solution is to send an immigrant back on a predetermined set of rules or incarceration for a mentally ill person, then so be it. The symptoms still need to be addressed.

 

[tigertim]

Again, the imaginary link between immigration and violent crime.

If you only use the label 'terrorism' when discussing the violent crime of immigrants, it's going to look like all terrorism is caused by immigrants. If you instead look at the rates of violent crime as a population, you always find absolutely zero link between it and immigration.

One woman a week is killed at the hands of her good old true blue Aussie partner, but that's not terrorism, so who cares.

Randomly deporting parts of our population solves nothing. If you want to reduce violent crime, increase access to education, healthcare (physical and mental), and welfare. Treat the cause, not the symptom.

You, like so many, trip over yourselves in trying to seem even handed. Whilst you defend immigrants (which I understand) you then feel the need to denigrate “true blue Aussies”. Randomly denigrating parts of our population solves nothing.....

And it’s *smile* that no one cares about domestic violence.

 

[tigertim]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-23/melbourne-man-wife-killed-over-decision-join-is-court-document/8381350

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-15/fernando-paulino-found-guilty-of-murdering-ex-wife/8614854

Here’s just a few cases of domestic violence that resulted in death. Are these all “true blue Aussies”?


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/al-harazi-sentence-canberra-murder-jail/8792298

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/03/08/indian-man-charged-wifes-murder-sydney

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/cairns-mum-who-killed-eight-children-unfit-for-trial/news-story/79f6e1b3af2688f9aaa1edeed70123be

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/sofina-nikat-who-killed-daughter-sentenced-to-community-corrections-order/news-story/7cd89fea83bf6d8ee5179a8c21c60da3

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-who-murdered-and-mutilated-wife-jailed-for-21-years-20150626-ghye50.html

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/03/08/57-year-old-indian-man-charged-wifes-murder-sydney

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/parminder-singhs-chilling-call-to-triple0-after-murdering-his-wife/news-story/a843732b1c04839943bb5525bddd9bc5

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/hindi/hi/article/2016/03/16/indian-man-kills-wife-mother-law-australia?language=hi

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sargun-rajis-killing-by-estranged-husband-avjit-singh-too-well-planned-to-be-crime-of-passion-court-hears-20141126-11u8wx.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/man-pleads-guilty-to-strangling-wife-at-ashwood-home/news-story/3926b2d1f7f504ab6631f859b003fccc?sv=ae92e5ed101900fe9388fa19df8a0bbe

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/husband-cleared-of-murder-for-killing-wife-with-box-cutter-20120508-1yapx.html

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/sunil-beniwal-killed-his-wife-after-years-of-torturing-her/news-story/12f748bf0b21ec0f2256444cd5437259

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/love-triangle-born-in-kerala-ends-in-murder-in-australia-3003041/

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/burning-death-of-parwinder-kaur-followed-years-of-domestic-violence-inquest-hears-20150928-gjwevj.html

http://www.india-voice.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=236&Itemid=45

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-03/amirah-droudis-guilty-murder-man-haron-monis-wife-2013/7991620

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/14/melbourne-man-to-stand-trial-after-allegedly-killing-wife-with-an-axe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3849724/Afghani-migrant-charged-murder-wife-s-body-burned-house-Guildford-western-Sydney.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-18/leila-alavi-husband-stabbed-hairdresser-after-earlier-threats/7762158

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-21/wife-stabbed-murder-guests-new-year/3841530

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/court-hears-that-afghan-man-strangled-his-wife-after-complaining-she-was-becoming-australian/news-story/3e16be77a3f61f4eeac88d7db3468cf8?sv=af93cecbd711d3a13b0b8fbd132cebbb

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3815124/Hairdresser-35-stabbed-death-Iranian-husband-Potts-Point-apartment-angry-converted-CHRISTIANITY.html

 

[gutfull]

Yes there are some Aussie asseholes men in the community and should be dealt with accordingly full force of the law. BUT the pricks that we allow in the country who were welcomed here and commit acts against community standards need to be exported out of Australia and those with legal grounds to be here farking it gets revoked .../

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Again, the imaginary link between immigration and violent crime.

Imaginary, eh? Every time I pick up a newspaper it's Muslim this, African that. Every time.

The stats prove that it's not an illusion and there are big problems. We slap them on the wrist for doing violent burglaries under the influence of drugs. Three month holiday to "find yourself", anyone?

It ain't working. We are being dragged down.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

One woman a week is killed at the hands of her good old true blue Aussie partner, but that's not terrorism, so who cares.

I'm not at risk of random death from someone else's domestic spats. So yeah, I don't care anywhere near as much.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Take mental ilness more seriously = if you claim mental illness and are a threat to others or act illegally in any manner you stay under government control until you are well. Remove the courts from this process. Eliminate the ability for wankers to claim mental illness and stay on the streets. If released and they continue illegal or dangerous behaviour they go in for good. This isnt about the looneys it is about the public.
Terrorist as a term in my thinking requires a political motivation, unfortunately for the islam crew they mix religion with politics so they are easily tarnished with the terrorist brush.

Definitely an issue. There is bugger all money for mental health and under the current model we are loathe to lock them up. I don't know whether these "community-based" treatments are actually more beneficial or whether they are merely a cost-cutting exercise. We know that mental illness is a heightened risk for people moving to foreign countries.

There is a lot still up in the air in the Flinders St case. Releasing a statement of "known to police, ice user/mental illness" prior even to toxicology tests has resulted in people making a lot of assumptions. The cynic in me suggests this is a deliberate ploy by authorities to mitigate the effect on the public.

"Melbourne is now free for people to access. People can still come in. We will have extra police out and about and the public can be reassured it is safe to come and go about their Christmas shopping, all of those things. This is an horrific incident ... but Melbourne people are not defined by one event. They are a very resilient group and we know that. We have the cricket and the carols on, festivities and a range of events. I would urge people from Melbourne and visitors around the world to come out to this great city, to get out and about and enjoy it. We will be doing everything we can to make sure the public feel safe."

Again, I don't like to be cynical, but the above quote from the police commissioner sounds almost economically motivated. We know there is a heightened risk at this time of year, and this guy wasn't even on the radar.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Yes there are some Aussie asseholes men in the community and should be dealt with accordingly full force of the law. BUT the pricks that we allow in the country who were welcomed here and commit acts against community standards need to be exported out of Australia and those with legal grounds to be here *smile*ing it gets revoked .../

Punishing the criminal is too late GF. People are already dead or hospitalised. By all means use the law to deal with the aftermath but it does nothing to actually treat the cause. Need to be looking with critical gaze to see if this is community based, geographically based, etc. Is there a ghettoisation of parts of Melbourne? If so how do you fix that? That is the kind of methodical, evidence-based approach that should be taken with all government policy. Andrews seems just the bloke to not jump at shadows and implement thoughtful policy. I expect that to happen here, at least I hope so.

 

[Brodders17]

Take mental ilness more seriously = if you claim mental illness and are a threat to others or act illegally in any manner you stay under government control until you are well. Remove the courts from this process. Eliminate the ability for wankers to claim mental illness and stay on the streets. If released and they continue illegal or dangerous behaviour they go in for good. This isnt about the looneys it is about the public.

im guessing by your use of language you have no experience of mental illness.

Do you propose to lock up anyone with a mental illness who may pose a risk?
what about people without a mental illness who pose a risk? should they be locked up?
who decides who poses a risk if courts are removed from the process?

where do you propose to lock up all these people that may pose a risk?

 

[HR]

im guessing by your use of language you have no experience of mental illness.

Do you propose to lock up anyone with a mental illness who may pose a risk?
what about people without a mental illness who pose a risk? should they be locked up?
who decides who poses a risk if courts are removed from the process?

where do you propose to lock up all these people that may pose a risk?

Brodders, just let everyone roam free without a care in the world. Let the community be at their mercy. This works so well for us now.
Ok, obviously not all mental illness cases need to be locked up. But i suggest if a case is presented to the courts or justice system and that person has acted illegally, or in a dangerous manner by use of a vehicle, threatening behaviour or aggression and then they claim MENTAL illness as their excuse then yes i think they should be locked up. Taken off the streets. As soon as they go for an excuse that shows they cannot control themselves, the court is bypassed and they are incarcerated. Once they then are found to be not mentally ill anymore, then put them in front of the courts to face the music.
This will not be a catch all but if the same was applied to rapists and other #$/^& in our society the message is a pretty loud one that we will not tolerate such behaviours and there are serious ramifications for acting outside the law.
As for the whereabouts I dont care where. If we had more murderers than our gaols could hold what would we do then, let em out? You either treat the stuff seriously or dont. I would rather build more institutions and have longer sentencing than deal with a funeral of a family member or friend or community member.
Lets get serious.

 

[Brodders17]

Brodders, just let everyone roam free without a care in the world. Let the community be at their mercy. This works so well for us now.
Ok, obviously not all mental illness cases need to be locked up. But i suggest if a case is presented to the courts or justice system and that person has acted illegally, or in a dangerous manner by use of a vehicle, threatening behaviour or aggression and then they claim MENTAL illness as their excuse then yes i think they should be locked up. Taken off the streets. As soon as they go for an excuse that shows they cannot control themselves, the court is bypassed and they are incarcerated. Once they then are found to be not mentally ill anymore, then put them in front of the courts to face the music.
This will not be a catch all but if the same was applied to rapists and other #$/^& in our society the message is a pretty loud one that we will not tolerate such behaviours and there are serious ramifications for acting outside the law.
As for the whereabouts I dont care where. If we had more murderers than our gaols could hold what would we do then, let em out? You either treat the stuff seriously or dont. I would rather build more institutions and have longer sentencing than deal with a funeral of a family member or friend or community member.
Lets get serious.

i clearly did not say let everyone roam free, but that appears to be the simplicity of your argument, either lock everyone up or no-one.
you say anyone with a mental illness who shows aggression should be locked up, what does that mean? If they yell at someone who cuts them off in traffic they get locked up forever?
acting illegally? if they steal a loaf of bread they stay in jail until they die?

lets get serious indeed.

 

[MB78]

I hate when these acts get politicised.

Has the police force been politicised? NSW going hardline with their policing crime rate dropping. While Victorian police now have a rep rightly or wrongly as being more concerned about being PC than actually getting in and doing.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Talking to a mate at the pub Friday , he said his not going to the Boxing Day test simply because of terrorism , it’s a different world we live in.

 

[HR]

i clearly did not say let everyone roam free, but that appears to be the simplicity of your argument, either lock everyone up or no-one.
you say anyone with a mental illness who shows aggression should be locked up, what does that mean? If they yell at someone who cuts them off in traffic they get locked up forever?
acting illegally? if they steal a loaf of bread they stay in jail until they die?

lets get serious indeed.

But i suggest if a case is presented to the courts or justice system and that person has acted illegally, or in a dangerous manner by use of a vehicle, threatening behaviour or aggression and then they claim MENTAL illness as their excuse then yes i think they should be locked up. Taken off the streets.
If they dont deserve freedom they dont get it. There is either a problem or not.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Talking to a mate at the pub Friday , he said his not going to the Boxing Day test simply because of terrorism , it’s a different world we live in.

It's nothing to do with hate. I'm nervous about going to the cricket tomorrow. Real *smile*ing nervous. It's one thing when we're playing England or South Africa, another totally v Pakistan. I can't tell a Pakistani cricket fan from a terrorist, and I don't think many others could either.

This was simply unthinkable 20 years ago. Muslims have contaminated our way of life, and I resent it deeply.