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The Blair "Which?" Project

The_General

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Are some of these guys like Constable contracted? If they are, then they are being delisted in the hopes that someone else will take them off their hands. If not, they will rookie them. They will still have to include the difference between the contract and a rookie contract under their salary cap.

Even if they are not contracted and the club wants to keep its options open, they will delist them and give them the opportunity to try out again.

By my reckoning, we have 4 spots at this stage and 8 rookies, Aarts, Miller, Pickett, Stack, Mansell, Parker, Egg and Colina. Colina is a Category B rookie so he is outside the rookie list, leaving 7. We delist Egg and the rookie list is maxed at 6. Currently, we have too many and one has to go.

Unless Aarts is on the main list. Then we only have 3 spaces on the list. If this is the case, we can delist both Garth and Cumberland but move Cumberland onto the rookie list by delisting Egg. Or let Cumberland go too and pick up another rookie.

Either way, we can pick up six new players by delisting both Garth and Cumberland, or five if we rookie Cumberland.

I think.
Go back 1 page, I tried to summarise.
1 must go off the rookie list - likely Eggs.
If we want to draft more, or open the chance for trading more picks (on draft night - can trade before then) we need to create more space on our senior list. Either by delisting Miller and moving someone to the Rookie list or just delisting entirely from the senior.
 
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mrposhman

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So Charlie Gardiner has been told, we're going to de-list you and make you a free agent so you can find another club for more opportunity. If you can't find a suitableclub, we'll rookie you.
If we wanted to keep say Cumberland, we could tell him "we want to utilise more picks in the national draft than we have list spots, so need to move you to the rookie list to create some space. We want you to stay with the club however, so we won't put you back into the draft and create all that stress on you."

You can't move uncontracted players from the main to the rookie list without having to re-rookie them. They used that rule once last year and have confirmed that you cannot use it this year.

The one you can, is moving a contracted player directly to the rookie list (I think they said you could only do this after draft night), so we might be able to free up a spot that way, though if what you say above is correct about Parker then we already have 7 on the rookie list (as of today) and need to delist one just to get to maximum list sizes (and would have 4 free spots on the main list).

Our rookies were, Egg, Baker, Aarts, Miller, Pickett and Stack at the start of last season and we added Parker through the season. None of these have so far been cut.
 

tigerdell

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I'm glad it is a simple and consistent system.
They got it right first time and havent needed to change it since
 
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mrposhman

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I'm glad it is a simple and consistent system.
They got it right first time and havent needed to change it since

Like when talking about the weather in Melbourne, we just sigh and go "Its Melbourne".

Its the same with footy, just sigh and go "Its the AFL". :rotfl2
 

TigerFurious

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Not a fan of bumping players down to the rookie list. I understand why it’s done but it’s like your manager coming to you and saying “we are demoting you and are going to pay you less. But, if you work hard we might give you your old job back in a year or two”. Commit to the player or don’t. No half measures
 

The_General

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You can't move uncontracted players from the main to the rookie list without having to re-rookie them. They used that rule once last year and have confirmed that you cannot use it this year.

The one you can, is moving a contracted player directly to the rookie list (I think they said you could only do this after draft night), so we might be able to free up a spot that way, though if what you say above is correct about Parker then we already have 7 on the rookie list (as of today) and need to delist one just to get to maximum list sizes (and would have 4 free spots on the main list).
You're right. They did change it again. Something about One time flexibility required due to list size changes and short notice heading into 2020 off season.

"They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022."
That'd help with allocating money outside the salary cap? I can't see the benefit of doing it AFTER the national draft. You basically have to recruit everyone by the national draft, then backfill the rookie list, prior to the rookie draft. Help me out here - what's the point?

We have to delist the players, they go into a delisted free agent window, and we can then select them in the draft later if we wanted, or selected them as a de-listed free agent after both drafts? I imagine we're seriously considering whether we can get better players via the ND than those we have currently on our list with the picks we have. Be a scary time for some of those off contract I'm sure.
 

mrposhman

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You're right. They did change it again. Something about One time flexibility required due to list size changes and short notice heading into 2020 off season.

"They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022."
That'd help with allocating money outside the salary cap? I can't see the benefit of doing it AFTER the national draft. You basically have to recruit everyone by the national draft, then backfill the rookie list, prior to the rookie draft. Help me out here - what's the point?

We have to delist the players, they go into a delisted free agent window, and we can then select them in the draft later if we wanted, or selected them as a de-listed free agent after both drafts? I imagine we're seriously considering whether we can get better players via the ND than those we have currently on our list with the picks we have. Be a scary time for some of those off contract I'm sure.

The only logic around that new rule, is you can "overfill" your primary list IF you have rookie list spaces free. EG. you have a pick in the ND, but no remaining spaces on your main list, really like someone who might not be there at your first pick in the rookie draft, so you can take them in the ND, but must then move someone who is contracted to the rookie list prior to the rookie draft and then swallow up that free spot.

Its moving more and more to a position where the rookie list is pointless and is only used as a way for the teams at the top to increase their salary cap by making use of the $'s that can be counted outside the cap to increase the $'s available to compete. Might as well just get rid of the rookie list and increase the cap IMO>

One other thing that would be useful (and I'll put this in the ideas for the trade period thread too), is IMO you should be able to move $'s from your TPP into the soft cap.

Ie. you are a team at the bottom, you have to pay 95% of the cap, so you inflate players contracts to something that they aren't worth, which ultimately leads to salary dumps later down the line, its pretty dumb.

How about you can move $500k from the TPP into the soft cap, enabling you to bring in more development coaches to develop the talent that is on the list. If we are going to increase the number of teams at some point (new Tassie team, new NT team) then we need to find a way to retain more players in the AFL system and that means additional development resources.
 
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FitenFitenWin

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Not a fan of bumping players down to the rookie list. I understand why it’s done but it’s like your manager coming to you and saying “we are demoting you and are going to pay you less. But, if you work hard we might give you your old job back in a year or two”. Commit to the player or don’t. No half measures

Yep - don’t think many players make it back to the main list after having been dropped from it to the rookie list.
 

nikolasmia

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The way I see the list now, we have only 1 glaring long term need.

A grade inside/outside midfielder, preferably in their prime

Blair manages that next off season, we can compete for another 5 years.

We have one 1st and 2, second round picks in 2022, and all our 2023 picks to make it happen

Preferably it will be free agent, Lynch style

its an interesting list

 
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tigersnake

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The way I see the list now, we have only 1 glaring long term need.

A grade inside/outside midfielder, preferably in their prime

Blair manages that next off season, we can compete for another 5 years.

We have one 1st and 2, second round picks in 2022, and all our 2023 picks to make it happen

Preferably it will be free agent, Lynch style

its an interesting list

Touk Miller is extremely interesting, and is the A grader in their prime you and I and all of us want. I would crawl across broken glass to get him. Great player who would suit our style and culture down to the ground and ensure we stay in contention.
 

Dont Argue

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The way I see the list now, we have only 1 glaring long term need.

A grade inside/outside midfielder, preferably in their prime

Blair manages that next off season, we can compete for another 5 years.

We have one 1st and 2, second round picks in 2022, and all our 2023 picks to make it happen

Preferably it will be free agent, Lynch style

its an interesting list

Would add at least one developing KPF to your shopping list of needs
 
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mrposhman

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I'd be all over Darcy Moore if we could afford him. You'd think with the likely retirements of Jack and Cotch we could. Another swingman would be mightily handy.
 
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