victoria police <weaK)

[Bunnerz]

i think these guys need to start doing something....

they were so weak at the g12 rally.

reason i write this also is i just got done $134 for being 106 in a 100 zone..

what a bloody joke, they should be catching real criminals instead of taking the easy way out
i remember also i got bashed from behind about 6 years ago and then they were so so weak in there attempts to fix the situation

thoughts?

 

[craig]

Bleeding hearts, beurocracy and the implementation of weak assed, leftist socialist placating ways and the crap legal system have combined tro make the Vic Police an impotent force.

Trust me i know plenty o coppers and they would love to have a presence but bleeding hearts, and socialist do gooder leftist beurocrats have tied their hands, and also had a big hand in why society is fast going down the proverbial.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Touchy subject, might duck out of this one..

 

[craig]

I for one know a Police officer that shot an offender and deservingly so.

The amount of *smile* these guys went through following the event to placate the beuroxcrats was a disgrace, the pice of *smile* they shot deserved it, and i am sick and tired of uninformed villification against coppers.

Dare anyone put in the polices position of being attacked with deadly weapons to not pull their gun out......................... or would they rather die for an unnoble cause.

The *smile* coppers deal with.......... i do not begrudge any piece of *smile* a full metal jacket especially when trying to maim, injure, or even kill a police officer on duty.

 

[mb64]

i think these guys need to start doing something....

they were so weak at the g12 rally.

thoughts?

Very harsh & most police do a good job.What did you expect them to do at the rally?The Vic Govt puts pressure on them re revenues.

 

[Liverpool]

i think these guys need to start doing something....
they were so weak at the g12 rally.
reason i write this also is i just got done $134 for being 106 in a 100 zone..
what a bloody joke, they should be catching real criminals instead of taking the easy way out
i remember also i got bashed from behind about 6 years ago and then they were so so weak in there attempts to fix the situation
thoughts?

Bunnerz,
I agree with you to a point....as I think the Police were weak during the G20 protests, but I also agree with Craig, in that the Police have their hands-tied in many situations by red-tape and leftist do-gooders.

For the police NOW having to hunt down these vandals, when these crimes were committed less than 20-metres away, in front of dozens of police, is a disgrace.
Even though many people, including myself, think their response was weak, this "do nothing until later" directive obviously came from higher authorities who didn't want another protest ending in "police brutality" claims, however, we ended up at the other end of the spectrum.

Also, the police were under-equipped for this protest, even though they had months to plan for this type of event happening.

Bracks and Nixon should hang their heads in shame, as instead of spending money now trying to hunt down these vandals, many of them would have been caught on the spot if they had the directive to do so, and if they didn't have to do this:

http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2006/11/30/1164777724387.html

Unbelievable, I know.....but it does highlight what an amateur lot we have down here running the Police.

Bunnerz,
About your fine....I don't know whether a cop got you, or one of those speed-cameras...but there is a difference.

I think if you speed, a cop chases you, catches you, and you get a fine...well, thats the breaks and you have to cop it on the chin.

I do have a problem with cameras sitting behind parked-cars, or on bridges, or on the dashboard of an unmarked car though.
To me, they save no lives whatsoever, and are simply revenue raising.
If I'm doing 150km/h, and one of these cameras takes my photo....and then a few kilomeres up the road, I drive through a school-crossing and kill 5 kids....how many lives did that camera save?
None.
But hey....I'll get a fine in 2 weeks or so and/or loss of license... :

If a cop chases you and you get caught, at least the process has potentially saved lives.....a camera saves nothing.

 

[Bunnerz]

i got done by a camera for 106 in a 100.
my dad got done for 110 in 100, in bacchus marsh road, no house in site for 15k.m

i use to respect police and stick up for them when my mates bagged them but now, after the last couple of months ive had enough.

even a couple of nightclubs and pubs i have been too, they were so weak when fights broke out and did nothing and just drove off.

SECURITY AND POLICE NEED TO BE STRONGER. instead of getting people for little petty crimes, get out there and catch the real criminals instead of picking on the odd drunk or person who does 10k.m over the speed

 

[Legends of 2017]

I disagree to a point. It's not the police that are weak- it's police command and the government. The cops do their jobs as best they can with one hand tied behind their back. Nixon's motto is I believe "Keep the peace", not "Uphold the law"
And Craig, yes, it also sh!ts me when criminals break the law, get what's coming to them when cops are doing their job to apprehend them and THEY are the ones villified. Cases like car chases where the CRIMINALS kill someone through speeding or dangerous driving, yet the cops get investigated. FFS, noone forced the crooks to speed, steal the car etc. How do the cops know it's not someone who's just committed a robbery, murder etc and isn't a 'joyrider'?

 

[Rosy]

i got done by a camera for 106 in a 100.
my dad got done for 110 in 100, in bacchus marsh road, no house in site for 15k.m

Not much use blaming the police for that bunnerz. Stick within the speed limit and you won't get booked. Speed and you not only risk hefty fines but you also endanger lives.

 

[Redford]

i got done by a camera for 106 in a 100.
my dad got done for 110 in 100, in bacchus marsh road, no house in site for 15k.m

Not much use blaming the police for that bunnerz.  Stick within the speed limit and you won't get booked.  Speed and you not only risk hefty fines but you also endanger lives.

As the Macquarie University proved in a study a few years ago, there is no such thing as a safe speed. A car on a hill without the handbrake applied properly can kill someone. Thus, there is a point where speed reductions, enforcements and fines etc. cross the line of being reasonable road safety measurements that everyone should adhere to, and become nothing more than a revenue raising exercise and a persecution of the general law abiding citizen - as is Bunnerz point. And we are very close to crossing that line at the moment imo.....

 

[Rosy]

Wasn't implying in any way that there is a safe speed Redders but statistics show a lot of accidents happen when cars travel over the speed limit.  Driving over the limit massively decreases effective reaction time if an 'incident' suddenly appears.  Speeding puts others at risk, as would parking on a hill without the handbrake.   There are plenty of ways behaviour in vehicles can put others at risk but that doesn't make speeding less dangerous or more tolerable.  It's against the law.

I wasn't commenting on cameras vs police.  To me that's another issue and one I feel strongly about too, but no matter how you're caught you deserve to cop the fine for speeding.  We all know the law and I think we all know that speeding increases risks.

I got my first ever speeding fine a few months ago. I was doing a few k's over the limit in Whittlesea apparently. I am always conscious of not speeding but probably had a lapse of concentration. It was a camera fine but I paid it and take a lot more notice of my speed now. Cameras, although I think are revenue raising, can be a deterrent too. I don't want to be forking out a couple of hundred bucks a month.

 

[Redford]

As someone who’s brother is paralysed due to a speeding truck driver (and who’s friends all died in the accident as well),  trust me, I’ve got no problem with speed enforcement.

However, we are fast reaching a point where severely reduced speed levels on our roads, more speed humps, excessive and unreasonable application of speed cameras,  you name it are now only marginally improving road safety statistics yet grossly penalising the everyday driver.

I’ve got a guy who sits next to me at work who got a speeding ticket from a camera the other day doing 82 in an 80 zone at 9.00pm in a dual carriage way and in a non-built up area. He was turning left at an intersection and was safely accelerating away from through coming traffic i.e. acting in a safe manner so as to not have cars run up his backside. But what does he get for his trouble ? A $130 fine and 1 demerit point for being a piddly 2kph over the speed limit whilst driving in the interests of others. Ridiculous.

There’s the law…and then there’s sensible development of the laws and sensible application of them thereof.

But anyway, my argument is not so much about existing road laws, but the ongoing development of them in the supposed aim of improving road safety.

Absolutely throw the book at drivers who blatantly speed, run red lights or are regular offenders. No problem with that at all. In fact, I actually have no problem with a zealous application where bona fide black spots are concerned either. But we’ve now reached a point where we have to find other solutions to improving road safety other than just taking the backward approach of making drivers crawl around in their cars everywhere by reducing speed limits, and throwing speed cameras all over the damn place.

Time for the governments in each state to start using the $100’s of millions of dollars in traffic infringement income that they generate on what they originally promised it would be intended for, and that is:

drastically improving the quality of our road system right around the country. The Pacific Highway, as an example, is a disgrace not to mention the state of thousands of our country roads;
comprehensive and regular driver education, training and testing;
application of standardised safety requirements in cars sold in this country;
a system of age based cc restrictions on drivers;
a system of car safety assessment (could actually be a revenue driver, as much as a cost);
free performance/enhanced driver sessions at safety tracks around the country;
road information services for drivers;
a massive increase in the testing of drug affected drivers. For God’s sake, spend some of the millions of dollars of traffic infringement money on developing a robust method of testing drivers affected by drugs other than alcohol…

and on it goes.

We gotta work on other ways to improve road safety other than just focussing purely on the speed aspect and getting people to slow down more..and more..and more…because we’re:

1) fast reaching a point (if we haven’t already) where excessive application is producing relatively marginal results at the huge expense of the general law abiding citizen;

2) putting the cops, who are forced by the governments to be the enforcers of these over zealous applications, in an uneviable position of being regarded by many people as nothing more than obsessive traffic nazis and not much else. That’s not fair to the cops, and I dare say, not what they themselves want to be spending so much of their time doing either.

Initially I had no problems with enhanced road safety initiatives such as speed cameras etc. But I’ve have had a gutful of what has now become a draconian approach to road safety, because its focussed too much around the one aspect of speed.

There's far more aspects to safe driving and road safety in general than just speed. 

 

[Michael]

Initially I had no problems with enhanced road safety initiatives such as speed cameras etc. But I’ve have had a gutful of what has now become a draconian approach to road safety, because its focussed too much around the one aspect of speed.

Revenue raising

 

[Rosy]

Agree Redders.  I've watched my good friend die by the side of the road and speed wasn't a factor.  There's a lot of work to be done in many areas to try and reduce the road carnage.   I just don't think the fact there are so many other issues that need addressing make speeding more acceptable.  If we are caught breaking the law we have to cop the consequences, revenue raising or not.  That's what my original reply to bunnerz which you commented on was about. Thinking that way doesn't mean I think less about the other issues that need addressing though.

My speeding ticket would have only been a  couple of k's over too but they allow a bit of grace.  I can't remember the details now but it was something like doing 86 in an 80 zone, they took off a few k's, so technically I think my fine was 82 in an 80 zone too.  I think I posted about it at the time.  Will do a search and see if I can find the details.

 

[Redford]

Agree Redders.  I've watched my good friend die by the side of the road and speed wasn't a factor.  There's a lot of work to be done in many areas to try and reduce the road carnage.   I just don't think the fact there are so many other issues that need addressing make speeding more acceptable.  If we are caught breaking the law we have to cop the consequences, revenue raising or not.  That's what my original reply to bunnerz which you commented on was about. Thinking that way doesn't mean I think less about the other issues that need addressing though.

My speeding ticket would have only been a  couple of k's over too but they allow a bit of grace.  I can't remember the details now but it was something like doing 86 in an 80 zone, they took off a few k's, so technically I think my fine was 82 in an 80 zone too.  I think I posted about it at the time.  Will do a search and see if I can find the details.

You are a speed demon ! :hihi

 

[Rosy]

You are a speed demon !  :hihi

It gets worse. I was fined for doing 62 in a 60 zone.

Was the 83 your official speed Lids or the corrected speed? I got my first speeding ticket recently. 62 in a 60 zone...but that 62 was after they'd deducted how every many k's (5 or 6) they mentioned on the ticket to allow for error. Still find it hard to believe I was doing almost 70 though. I guess nobody likes speeding fines but it's a very different issue to the topic of this thread.

 

[jb03]

You are a speed demon !  :hihi

It gets worse.  I was fined for doing 62 in a 60 zone.

Remember 62 was actually a whopping 65.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Initially I had no problems with enhanced road safety initiatives such as speed cameras etc. But I’ve have had a gutful of what has now become a draconian approach to road safety, because its focussed too much around the one aspect of speed.

Revenue raising

Absolutely it's revenue raising.
I've long since believed that if this government was fair dinkum about road safety & curbing speed in this country, it wouldn't allow car companies to sell automobiles to the general public that were capable of doing more than 120kms per hour.

Sounds extreme but seriously there isn't a speed limit in the country over that limit so why produce cars that can do significantly higher speeds than that??? Who needs a car that can do 130-250kms ph+, yet they move them by the truckload and there are entire industries built on this premise.

At the very least cars should be "speed clamped" at registration time. I'm sure the technology is available to do something like this. It'll never happen though because it is about revenue raising and the higher the speed the more money they can generate for the coffers.

 

[newyorktiger]

At the very least cars should be "speed clamped" at registration time. I'm sure the technology is available to do something like this. It'll never happen though because it is about revenue raising and the higher the speed the more money they can generate for the coffers.

Cars are already spped clamped ToO..I know for a fact that the top speed has been limited on my Mini Cooper.

 

[Redford]

At the very least cars should be "speed clamped" at registration time. I'm sure the technology is available to do something like this. It'll never happen though because it is about revenue raising and the higher the speed the more money they can generate for the coffers.

Cars are already spped clamped ToO..I know for a fact that the top speed has been limited on my Mini Cooper.

Yep. Mine is limited to 250kmh even though the car will run out to about 260-265 kmh. Dunno what the point is, but anyway....there's a limiter on there.