He was another I wanted, back issues resolved and slots into a midfield needing a defensive type.
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I'm not harping on this point endlessly but top 5 B&F doesn't necessarily equate to silky kicking skills, that is the reason Tuck was mentioned, not because they are identical players. I also think Taranto & Mitchell have similar output, the stats back that up although Mitchell has better contested numbers thus far, his DE also 74% versus Taranto 58%., clangers 2 versus 5.8, 3 goals versus 0. Only a Richmond supporter would be placing Taranto as elite & Mitchell as ordinary, that's to be expected on a fan site.
My comparison on Tuck is for the ball winning and usage by foot. So basically offensively. I accept everything you say about running ability and positioning.
Taranto is not hurting anyone on the spread right now. Inside he is elite and doing his part but he is not spreading. At all. Numbers show it.
I need to see the kicking tidy up. I'm not bagging the trade, I'm past that and ok with it. I'm looking at what he is producing.
You can't put a Brownlow winner as "dime a dozen" and you can't put him with Tuck.
Sam Taylor you nailed that pick. He would be awesome for it, but you are stretching it a bit with Williams, who despite NicNat being out, still does very very little for West Coast. For a 23 year old, you wouldn't think he'd be dominating but I'd be expecting him to show something but appears a very vanilla footballer. No big miss there, but agree with you on Taylor.
I however, don't have as pessimistic view on our list as you seem to. We have missed the top end of the draft for a fair while now (Gibcus was our 1st top 10 pick since Vlastuin). Its all well and good saying we could have had this kid, or that one, but facts are facts. You don't win premierships with midfielders drafted in the 12-20 range, you win them with top 10's and top 5's. Thats what we traded for.
Our list is a lot stronger than you seem to think. The big glaring hole is a key position forward. That takes me back to my previous point. Aggressive trading (like we have done) sustains you towards the top of the ladder, and that along with our fan base etc allows us to be actively involved in the free agency market (and not the end where super buffers lie). We can compete at the top end. Our list looks a whole lot different if you add a mid 20's key forward onto the list, I still love the idea of getting Todd Marshall over from Port. I reckon thats a distinct possibility that he could return to Victoria, and if we stay there or thereabouts we would be in that market.
What don't you like about our 25 and unders? We almost have a set defence that can operate going forwards.
Gibcus, Balta, Young, Baker, Rioli - the 1 we are missing is the mid size. Maybe thats where Tom Brown will fit in. Time will tell
Taranto, Sonsie, Graham, Bolton - Thats ok for under 25's with a few others upcoming and with players in that 25-30 bracket
Forwards are where its tough. Half forwards not so bad (MRJ, Cumberland, Clarke) but its the talls where we struggle.
I think we have a good base to remain in the flag window far longer than Mitchell will play, we just need to continue to play the game and use FA to our advantage over the next few years (and I don't think thats using it to get Ben MacKay).
Nope.
Said he's not hurting anyone on the spread. KM's show he is running but not hurting anyone on the spread means cutting teams up by hand or foot at or after the stoppage, using the ball well while getting away from stoppages. He's spreading defensively but that doesn't hurt.
Williams hasn't turned 23 but he's close, building ok and is looking like a better bet than Dow, that's my base level measurement, even average talls tend to stay in the system for a decade and usually provide either back-up or trading capital. The trick with talls is to get them in early and then build up a surplus in order to account for the odd bust.
As for our depth, we're losing with the Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Riewoldt, Lynch, Grimes & Pickett retirements, not enough back-up & not enough quality coming through. That's the premiership core, Hopper & Taranto help somewhat but it's shaping up as a raid on Peter to pay Paul. Pick 30 odd next draft hopefully addresses one shortcoming but it's unlikely to fill the massive void coming up. I see a repeat of the Crazy Vossy era and the Hawthorn all or nothing approach.
The hawks comparison keeps getting thrown up. They had something like ZERO 1st rd picks, and very few 2nd rd picks over a decade. We have had heaps. the comparison is nonsense.
Not sure on Voss- but from memory he sold the farm for some over the hill footballers.
We’ve brought in 2 players from other clubs in the last 5 years and people are melting like we’ve traded away every single draft pick
No doubt.
But who knows if we would have picked him let alone traded for those picks.
It’s a scenario that never happened.
Like Cowan and Hewett. They were on your radar and may or may not work out. But there’s no guarantee that we would have picked them at those spots had we kept the picks.
BTW I haven’t seen Bytel in the team this year. Might have missed him though as I haven’t been watching the saints closely. How’s he been playing?
The hysteria from our own is incredible.We’ve brought in 2 players from other clubs in the last 5 years and people are melting like we’ve traded away every single draft pick
Why are we judging these blokes on 3 games played?
In round one Taranto was one of our best.
In round two Hopper was BOG.
We would be 0-3 if we had Cowan and Hewett and people would be saying it’s time to bottom up and send Dusty, Cotch, Riewoldt, Tarrant, Broad, Grimes, Prestia, Vlastuin and Lynch straight into retirement.
Some people can’t just enjoy the now.
