Ill lose all hope and meaning,
if dusty ever plays for anyone but Richmond.
but @MD Jazz is becoming right, we're straying a long way from TT,
lets take it over onto a list management thread
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Welcome to Tigerland - Tim Taranto
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Ill lose all hope and meaning,
if dusty ever plays for anyone but Richmond.
but @MD Jazz is becoming right, we're straying a long way from TT,
lets take it over onto a list management thread
I'm advocating for getting as many games as quickly as possible into kids that the club feels have a possibility of making it; players the likes of Trezise, Clarke and Brown.
Rather than perhaps waiting until they're 100% ready to take the spot of someone who is more experienced and battle hardened, but is only one or two years away from the end.
(So we can squeak out a few extra wins over the course of the season)
Which I guess is the challenge for the club and coaching group; how many games are we prepared to lose and where do they think that we are realistically at?
I too am eagerly waiting to see how Ooze shapes his game plan, and to see what he can get out of individual players that perhaps Harwick couldn't, and appreciate that it will take time to evolve.
However the second half of the the Collonwood practice match (when they actually started playing), and the GC game was a sobering experience and given that I think the room for improvement is limited with the current list balance (regardless of the coaching), I would be all for making whatever moves are necessary / possible to start fast tracking things.
I wasn't decrying 'play all the kids' as some sort of blind mantra or answer in and of itself.
I reckon there's a simple, annoying, coaching issue with TT that would solve for a lot of people's issues with him.
Why cant this panel of coaches just coach him to take that extra split second, that extra step, before he kicks the ball ? He's dumping it off most of the time when he thinks that he's under pressure, or about to get caught with the ball, when in fact he isnt. He has more time than he realises.
His action isnt bad. If it was, he wouldnt kick the amount of goals he does. Rather, its a composure and time issue which is easily fixable. Just get him to spend that extra split second to look at his target first before throwing it on his boot in a hack-panic. If he gets caught holding the ball every now and again, so be it if it improves significantly his kicking efficiency.
Why cant this panel of coaches just coach him to take that extra split second, that extra step, before he kicks the ball ? He's dumping it off most of the time when he thinks that he's under pressure, or about to get caught with the ball, when in fact he isnt. He has more time than he realises.
His action isnt bad. If it was, he wouldnt kick the amount of goals he does. Rather, its a composure and time issue which is easily fixable. Just get him to spend that extra split second to look at his target first before throwing it on his boot in a hack-panic. If he gets caught holding the ball every now and again, so be it if it improves significantly his kicking efficiency.
You're right. Whether it's possible, who knows? Because what you're asking from TT is the vision thing. It's what he lacks. He can kick straight through the goals, but he can't dissect the chaos and place a teammate in space - a space the teammate didn't even know he was supposed to be in before the pass made him go there. It's what the great mids have, and every team needs a few of them. It's why TT is not a great mid, just a solid one.
This early season I'm looking in particular for evidence of coaching with those who haven't had a Richmond Football Academy education.
One is Tim Taranto.
Round Nought. Went backwards in every way. Couldn't touch it. Couldn't use it.
The coach he moved clubs for, to be better coached, in a bizarre twist, coached against him.
We get to see the Taranto/RFC response. Breathing fire is not what we need from him. Quick incisive use by hand. Considered use by foot. It's still about that. Getting a kick is a given.
One is Tim Taranto.
Round Nought. Went backwards in every way. Couldn't touch it. Couldn't use it.
The coach he moved clubs for, to be better coached, in a bizarre twist, coached against him.
We get to see the Taranto/RFC response. Breathing fire is not what we need from him. Quick incisive use by hand. Considered use by foot. It's still about that. Getting a kick is a given.
The bigger picture question for me, is did Blair Hartley know this before recruiting him? Did he explain this to the coaches, and they approved the mega trade anyway? We see this now, because we've watched TT closely for a year. Most of us just watched the odd GWS game through the season and never really took notice of the nuances of their players. But I would hope that our list management team know every opposition player inside out, rather than discovering these finer points - which matter A LOT - once they are here. For me, it raises questions about how forensic our analysis and knowledge of the opposition really is.
TT is not a superstar. That's okay, he's not on superstar money, he's on very good player money. (Perhaps superstar contract length, though.)
We need him to be the sledgehammer in a velvet sledgehammer 1-2 punch. Who's the velvet? Gotta be Shai.
We need him to be the sledgehammer in a velvet sledgehammer 1-2 punch. Who's the velvet? Gotta be Shai.
We just tell them that he came with a money back guarantee and when we bought him home we realised he didn’t fit.
I can gripe with the best of them. But to see the Taranto thread littered with abuse was a surprise, even for PRE.
One poor half of football. That is all I have seen this season. I'm willing to treat it for what it was, a short-term virus treatable with a Martin/Lynch antibiotic.
I am not willing to diagnose terminal cancer just yet.
I think this isn't all that bad, length of the contracts means (if we can still shift them around at least) we can front end them to make more room for the superstars if/when we bring them in
Yes, I reckon they can, but I don’t reckon you can have Hopper and Taranto in there at the same time… they’re too similar… they can both get the ball, but what they do with it is an issue. They can’t break away/exit from stoppage with speed or put a team mate into space on a regular basis. Dow at least has the ability to create space for others with his hands.
Mansell the perfect fit he aren't no forward criminal his taking Clarke, Coulthard and Cumberland spot.
For a apprant top runner he picks and chooses when to move.
He never seems to be in chains of play and you would expect him to hit the score board more.
Really vanilla start to 2024
He never seems to be in chains of play and you would expect him to hit the score board more.
Really vanilla start to 2024
Not a great start to the year. on current form not going back to back in the Jack dyer medal.
His kicking was better against Carlton, but it was woeful agiant the Suns.
Worse was his decision making in the Collingwood practice game. Twice we cut through thier lines of defence and got goal side with the last handball finding Taranto. Both times he didn't even look foeward, but stopped and handballed back into the area behind him, where the last line of Collingwoods defence which we'd just bypassed suddenly came back into play. On the first of these occasions, he had a runner both on the outside and on the inside he could have given to. We could literally have ran the ball to the goal line.
The other aspect of Tatanto's game is that his handballs aren;t even accurate. The concern i have is that looking at our list, Taranto and Hopper are our mainstay mids, when looking at their skill set, they should only really be the support crew. That's all they really were at GWS.
They are on long contracts. It's almost the parting gift from Hardwick. Maybe he saw their flaws and the length of the investment and jumped for greener pastures. I hope i'm wrong, but i don't think either get any better than what we've seen so far.
I'd hope that their recruitment doesn't severely hamper our ability to get good game time into the likes of Sonsi, McCailiffe and dare i say, even Jack Ross who could well show more improvement. particularly if he was thrown in the guts more often.
Worse was his decision making in the Collingwood practice game. Twice we cut through thier lines of defence and got goal side with the last handball finding Taranto. Both times he didn't even look foeward, but stopped and handballed back into the area behind him, where the last line of Collingwoods defence which we'd just bypassed suddenly came back into play. On the first of these occasions, he had a runner both on the outside and on the inside he could have given to. We could literally have ran the ball to the goal line.
The other aspect of Tatanto's game is that his handballs aren;t even accurate. The concern i have is that looking at our list, Taranto and Hopper are our mainstay mids, when looking at their skill set, they should only really be the support crew. That's all they really were at GWS.
They are on long contracts. It's almost the parting gift from Hardwick. Maybe he saw their flaws and the length of the investment and jumped for greener pastures. I hope i'm wrong, but i don't think either get any better than what we've seen so far.
I'd hope that their recruitment doesn't severely hamper our ability to get good game time into the likes of Sonsi, McCailiffe and dare i say, even Jack Ross who could well show more improvement. particularly if he was thrown in the guts more often.
