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Coronavirus

Case count excluding China (updated 11:30pm)

873,510 cases
45,251 deaths (5.18%)
35,776 severe (4%)
665,950 mild (76%)
126,533 recovered (14%)
 
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Lowest mortality rates (min. 2000 cases, 34 countries)

0.43% Israel
0.44% Australia
0.53% Chile
0.86% Russia
0.90% Norway
1.11% Czechoslovakia
1.18% Canada
1.19% Germany
 
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Russia - 2777, Vietnam - bordering China, 212? I say *smile*.


India 1998, Pakistan 2118, Indonesia 1677, Mexico 1215, Nigeria 174, Kenya 81, Syria 10, North Korea 0

The list goes on and on. Use the official list as a guide only. It's naive to think every country on the planet is judiciously testing and reporting on their cases. Many don't want to report it.
 
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A mate is in Vietnam, his wife is from there and they go there a lot to visit her family with their kids He is amazed by how well its being handled there, says he feels much safer than here, initially he was going to come back, had some problems getting flights, decided to stay and is now glad how it panned out. FWIW.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-vigorous-attack-on-coronavirus-idUSKBN21D0ZU

Imagine sticking some of these 5-star hotel complainants in a shared room of 10 or 20 for a few weeks. Vietnam's methods would never be allowed in Australia. Vietnam people don't forget the hardships they've endured in the last 50+ years. It's these social expectations that make it so much more difficult for western societies to contain.
 
Coronavirus means that we must now treat China like a hostile state
Con C o u g h l i n (not sure why *smile* is a swear word)
The Telegraph (UK)
April 1, 2020


When the Government says that there needs to be a “reckoning” with China once the coronavirus emergency is over, its focus must be much broader than simply examining Beijing’s culpability in creating the pandemic.

The deliberate lack of transparency and cooperation that has characterised the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) response to the outbreak since the virus was first identified in Wuhan constitutes nothing less than a fundamental breach of trust between China and the rest of the world.

Despite Beijing’s attempts to cover up the true scale of the outbreak in China, British scientists are now warning Downing Street that the CCP has probably downplayed the number of cases by a factor of 15 to 40.

To make matters worse, Beijing has compounded its reprehensible behaviour by launching a disinformation campaign that seeks to portray China as the victim, rather than being the instigator of a global health crisis that has so far claimed almost 40,000 lives worldwide, and caused the greatest slump in global economic activity since the Second World War.

China’s attempts to blame the initial outbreak on an American military delegation that visited Wuhan last October have received short shrift in Washington, while British ministers have privately expressed their disgust at Beijing’s attempts to exploit the pandemic for economic gain with what they call “predatory” offers of help for affected countries.

Nor, as Beijing declares “victory” in its own campaign against the virus, is there any evidence that China has learnt its lesson. The reopening of live animal markets, where bats and scorpions are offered as traditional medicine, suggests China’s rulers have no intention of fulfilling their pledge to close the markets, which is where the virus is believed to have originated.

At every level, the CCP’s response to the coronavirus challenge has been contemptible, to the extent that, once the present crisis is over, there needs to be a radical rethink in Britain and other Western countries about our future dealings with Beijing.

Certainly, the idea that it will be business as normal so far as our trade ties with Beijing are concerned will be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of the British public.

There is a deepening resentment among ordinary citizens that China is ultimately to blame for the disruption the pandemic has inflicted on their daily lives, for causing the greatest assault on their personal freedoms in peacetime, for millions of workers losing their jobs or taking pay cuts, and for victims of the coronavirus ending their days alone and isolated from their loved ones.

China's appalling conduct from the outset has led ministers to warn that the country risks becoming a “pariah state”, and this assessment must be at the heart of how Britain shapes its future relationship with the CCP.

The first, and most obvious, casualty of Britain adopting a more robust approach to Beijing should be Boris Johnson’s questionable decision to allow the Chinese telecoms giant Huawei access to Britain’s new 5G telecoms network. Even if Mr Johnson persists with the flawed assessment that Huawei can maintain its involvement without jeopardising national security, the Prime Minister will face renewed Cabinet pressure to terminate the arrangement.

Serious consideration must also be given to Britain’s broader trade links with China, which are currently worth around $25 billion a year. For too long British politicians and business leaders have kow-towed to Beijing and ignored the CCP’s repressive rule in the hope of landing lucrative contracts. This has resulted in important sectors of the British economy being out-sourced to the Chinese, from the manufacture of car components to vital pharmaceuticals.

Champions of these profitable trade ties, such as former chancellor George Osborne, who once enthused about a "golden era" in Sino-British relations, worked on the assumption that Beijing did not pose a threat to British interests.

The naivety of this approach has been exposed through China’s response to the coronavirus, with the CCP at one point threatening to withhold the export of key medicinal supplies. If China can no longer be trusted to honour existing trading arrangements in our hour of need, then industry leaders must give serious consideration to relocating key manufacturing back to Britain.

The Government’s forthcoming integrated defence and security review is another area where we need to take heed of the threat China poses to our well-being. The last defence review, in 2015, worked on the assumption that Russia was the state that posed the biggest threat to our security.

This assessment will need to be reviewed in the light of the immense damage Beijing has inflicted on the nation’s economy and health. In future, we will need to focus our attention as much on the inner workings of the CCP’s Central Politburo as we do the Kremlin.

The era when gullible politicians in the West could give China’s motives the benefit of the doubt is well and truly over.
 
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Thanks Lee.

The US numbers are scary - 26K new cases in the past 24 hours and over 1k deaths.

Germany doing an amazing job keeping the death toll under 1k from over 77k cases
Are they figures for covid19 or the flu?
 
India 1998, Pakistan 2118, Indonesia 1677, Mexico 1215, Nigeria 174, Kenya 81, Syria 10, North Korea 0

The list goes on and on. Use the official list as a guide only. It's naive to think every country on the planet is judiciously testing and reporting on their cases. Many don't want to report it.

Nth Korea 0
 
Coronavirus means that we must now treat China like a hostile state
Con C o u g h l i n (not sure why ******** is a swear word)
The Telegraph (UK)
April 1, 2020


When the Government says that there needs to be a “reckoning” with China once the coronavirus emergency is over, its focus must be much broader than simply examining Beijing’s culpability in creating the pandemic.

The deliberate lack of transparency and cooperation that has characterised the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) response to the outbreak since the virus was first identified in Wuhan constitutes nothing less than a fundamental breach of trust between China and the rest of the world.

Despite Beijing’s attempts to cover up the true scale of the outbreak in China, British scientists are now warning Downing Street that the CCP has probably downplayed the number of cases by a factor of 15 to 40.

To make matters worse, Beijing has compounded its reprehensible behaviour by launching a disinformation campaign that seeks to portray China as the victim, rather than being the instigator of a global health crisis that has so far claimed almost 40,000 lives worldwide, and caused the greatest slump in global economic activity since the Second World War.

China’s attempts to blame the initial outbreak on an American military delegation that visited Wuhan last October have received short shrift in Washington, while British ministers have privately expressed their disgust at Beijing’s attempts to exploit the pandemic for economic gain with what they call “predatory” offers of help for affected countries.

Nor, as Beijing declares “victory” in its own campaign against the virus, is there any evidence that China has learnt its lesson. The reopening of live animal markets, where bats and scorpions are offered as traditional medicine, suggests China’s rulers have no intention of fulfilling their pledge to close the markets, which is where the virus is believed to have originated.

At every level, the CCP’s response to the coronavirus challenge has been contemptible, to the extent that, once the present crisis is over, there needs to be a radical rethink in Britain and other Western countries about our future dealings with Beijing.

Certainly, the idea that it will be business as normal so far as our trade ties with Beijing are concerned will be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of the British public.

There is a deepening resentment among ordinary citizens that China is ultimately to blame for the disruption the pandemic has inflicted on their daily lives, for causing the greatest assault on their personal freedoms in peacetime, for millions of workers losing their jobs or taking pay cuts, and for victims of the coronavirus ending their days alone and isolated from their loved ones.

China's appalling conduct from the outset has led ministers to warn that the country risks becoming a “pariah state”, and this assessment must be at the heart of how Britain shapes its future relationship with the CCP.

The first, and most obvious, casualty of Britain adopting a more robust approach to Beijing should be Boris Johnson’s questionable decision to allow the Chinese telecoms giant Huawei access to Britain’s new 5G telecoms network. Even if Mr Johnson persists with the flawed assessment that Huawei can maintain its involvement without jeopardising national security, the Prime Minister will face renewed Cabinet pressure to terminate the arrangement.

Serious consideration must also be given to Britain’s broader trade links with China, which are currently worth around $25 billion a year. For too long British politicians and business leaders have kow-towed to Beijing and ignored the CCP’s repressive rule in the hope of landing lucrative contracts. This has resulted in important sectors of the British economy being out-sourced to the Chinese, from the manufacture of car components to vital pharmaceuticals.

Champions of these profitable trade ties, such as former chancellor George Osborne, who once enthused about a "golden era" in Sino-British relations, worked on the assumption that Beijing did not pose a threat to British interests.

The naivety of this approach has been exposed through China’s response to the coronavirus, with the CCP at one point threatening to withhold the export of key medicinal supplies. If China can no longer be trusted to honour existing trading arrangements in our hour of need, then industry leaders must give serious consideration to relocating key manufacturing back to Britain.

The Government’s forthcoming integrated defence and security review is another area where we need to take heed of the threat China poses to our well-being. The last defence review, in 2015, worked on the assumption that Russia was the state that posed the biggest threat to our security.

This assessment will need to be reviewed in the light of the immense damage Beijing has inflicted on the nation’s economy and health. In future, we will need to focus our attention as much on the inner workings of the CCP’s Central Politburo as we do the Kremlin.

The era when gullible politicians in the West could give China’s motives the benefit of the doubt is well and truly over.

It’s like reading what I have been saying and writing for weeks to anyone who wanted to listen to me but is so well written, to the point and to heart of how our future is shaped once we come out of this.

Thanks Lee for finding this article.

I for weeks thought o had stepped out of line and found myself consumed and had pulled back but finding myself returning upon seeing & reading concerning, disheartening &frustrating commentary.

I truly hope that this becomes a wale up call for Western Countries and the EU . They will need our help too , to rid themselves of the piranha lurking in the background !
 
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They're doing half a million tests a week, so finding a lot of mild positives. Not sure if we can scale up to something like that.

I think they have a similar spread to us. Was reading the differences between Germany and Italy, and we can compare Australia into here as well.

Italy's exposure began in the older North hence it got into a higher proportion of older people very quickly. Germany's came in through the south which is generally younger and therefore got a bigger spread. Similar I guess to Australia which has a large proportion of people who have tested positive to be in the younger demographic.

Don't have any stats but was reading this on the BBC website so I assume they had some stats to back u-p their assertions.
 
Coronavirus means that we must now treat China like a hostile state
Con C o u g h l i n (not sure why ******** is a swear word)
The Telegraph (UK)
April 1, 2020


When the Government says that there needs to be a “reckoning” with China once the coronavirus emergency is over, its focus must be much broader than simply examining Beijing’s culpability in creating the pandemic.

The deliberate lack of transparency and cooperation that has characterised the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) response to the outbreak since the virus was first identified in Wuhan constitutes nothing less than a fundamental breach of trust between China and the rest of the world.

Despite Beijing’s attempts to cover up the true scale of the outbreak in China, British scientists are now warning Downing Street that the CCP has probably downplayed the number of cases by a factor of 15 to 40.

To make matters worse, Beijing has compounded its reprehensible behaviour by launching a disinformation campaign that seeks to portray China as the victim, rather than being the instigator of a global health crisis that has so far claimed almost 40,000 lives worldwide, and caused the greatest slump in global economic activity since the Second World War.

China’s attempts to blame the initial outbreak on an American military delegation that visited Wuhan last October have received short shrift in Washington, while British ministers have privately expressed their disgust at Beijing’s attempts to exploit the pandemic for economic gain with what they call “predatory” offers of help for affected countries.

Nor, as Beijing declares “victory” in its own campaign against the virus, is there any evidence that China has learnt its lesson. The reopening of live animal markets, where bats and scorpions are offered as traditional medicine, suggests China’s rulers have no intention of fulfilling their pledge to close the markets, which is where the virus is believed to have originated.

At every level, the CCP’s response to the coronavirus challenge has been contemptible, to the extent that, once the present crisis is over, there needs to be a radical rethink in Britain and other Western countries about our future dealings with Beijing.

Certainly, the idea that it will be business as normal so far as our trade ties with Beijing are concerned will be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of the British public.

There is a deepening resentment among ordinary citizens that China is ultimately to blame for the disruption the pandemic has inflicted on their daily lives, for causing the greatest assault on their personal freedoms in peacetime, for millions of workers losing their jobs or taking pay cuts, and for victims of the coronavirus ending their days alone and isolated from their loved ones.

China's appalling conduct from the outset has led ministers to warn that the country risks becoming a “pariah state”, and this assessment must be at the heart of how Britain shapes its future relationship with the CCP.

The first, and most obvious, casualty of Britain adopting a more robust approach to Beijing should be Boris Johnson’s questionable decision to allow the Chinese telecoms giant Huawei access to Britain’s new 5G telecoms network. Even if Mr Johnson persists with the flawed assessment that Huawei can maintain its involvement without jeopardising national security, the Prime Minister will face renewed Cabinet pressure to terminate the arrangement.

Serious consideration must also be given to Britain’s broader trade links with China, which are currently worth around $25 billion a year. For too long British politicians and business leaders have kow-towed to Beijing and ignored the CCP’s repressive rule in the hope of landing lucrative contracts. This has resulted in important sectors of the British economy being out-sourced to the Chinese, from the manufacture of car components to vital pharmaceuticals.

Champions of these profitable trade ties, such as former chancellor George Osborne, who once enthused about a "golden era" in Sino-British relations, worked on the assumption that Beijing did not pose a threat to British interests.

The naivety of this approach has been exposed through China’s response to the coronavirus, with the CCP at one point threatening to withhold the export of key medicinal supplies. If China can no longer be trusted to honour existing trading arrangements in our hour of need, then industry leaders must give serious consideration to relocating key manufacturing back to Britain.

The Government’s forthcoming integrated defence and security review is another area where we need to take heed of the threat China poses to our well-being. The last defence review, in 2015, worked on the assumption that Russia was the state that posed the biggest threat to our security.

This assessment will need to be reviewed in the light of the immense damage Beijing has inflicted on the nation’s economy and health. In future, we will need to focus our attention as much on the inner workings of the CCP’s Central Politburo as we do the Kremlin.

The era when gullible politicians in the West could give China’s motives the benefit of the doubt is well and truly over.


The above article could have been written by an Aussie journalist & it would ring very true to our situation. Even more so when you consider what has happened with regard to our goods being "raided" packed up & sent to China.
The recent signing of a "Free Trade Agreement" with China seems to me to be of more benefit to them than us. This ageement was a major reason that the Aussie car manufacturing industry was shutdown.
We also allow China to buy our industries, farms, properties etc with immunity. There is no way that any "Western" Govt. industry, company or individual would be allowed to buy any Chinese property of any kind. They don't allow anyone to own anything of theirs. They allow property to be leased but NEVER owned. They can also terminate these leases any time they want.
For too long our Govts (ofboth persuasions) have allowed our assets to gobbled up by foreign companies at the expense of local interests.

It's time we as a society let our pollies know that we've had enough & they should start to put Australias & Australians interests before their own selfish wants.
 
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