Coronavirus

[Al Bundy]

Riots in front of CFMEU head office. Setka and his union mates got pelted with bottles chairs and tables for trying to mandate the vaccines.

Yep. Getting ugly

Melbourne tradies storm union headquarters, throw bottles and chant in heated protest

CFMEU leader John Setka was on a loudspeaker asking the protesting workers to “calm down” as the violence escalated.

7news.com.au

 

[eZyT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1439583753018413057

I have no idea who this person is but there must be a real fear of burnout in the healthcare system. Feel for them with what's coming.

this is my biggest fear.

that in 10 years we are having an ANZAC type day, remembering the fallen doctors and nurses.

they are the cannon fodder in this.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1439583753018413057

I have no idea who this person is but there must be a real fear of burnout in the healthcare system. Feel for them with what's coming.

Why are they resigning? Overworked? Too dangerous? Don't want to be vaccinated?

 

[Tiger44]

Why are they resigning? Overworked? Too dangerous? Don't want to be vaccinated?

Overworked, underpaid and given no support.

 

[Brodders17]

What is clear is that what ever has happened to date, NSW have clearly topped out and Vic will overtake soon.


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we wont overtake NSW, for 2 reasons. the rate at which Vic cases are increasing is slowing right down.
2nd NSW are about to open, which is going to lead to numbers rocketing again. I know there is no chance they will, but they should consider slowing down their plans to lift restrictions. If their numbers keep tracking the way they are, they could get a lot lower which would significantly slow the rise when they do open.

 

[BT Tiger]

The far-right activist Avi Yemeni was amongst the crowd outside the CFMEU. Doubt that all the people there were actually workers in the construction industry. There must have been less than 200 in attendance anyway, so a very small representative sample of the industry. Essentilly they're a bunch of fringe loonies.

John Setka is clearly a thug, but i'm happy to hear his pro-vaccination radio ad last week. When he first started speaking i was actually expecting an anti-vaccination ad.

 

[22nd Man]

Watch the Murdoch media demonise Andrews, claim the roadmap is too slow, support those who want to let it rip and then go apeshit if the ICU wards fill up and people die.

They will have it both ways and the gullible will eat it up, and the Murdoch media will simply not care.

DS

Do you characterise everything other than what Andrews decrees as "let it rip"?
If you do not subscribe to "there is only one Option" "There is no alternative" rhetoric of the Premier does not mean you want to let it rip.

 

[Ian4]

Riots in front of CFMEU head office. Setka and his union mates got pelted with bottles chairs and tables for trying to mandate the vaccines.

how entitled are the tradies? I work next to one of the biggest construction projects in Melbourne and the workers don’t wear masks (or don’t wear them correctly) at local cafe’s, they never check in, sook about not being able to use tearooms, and raid their own union office because they don’t want mandatory vaccines when COVID has infiltrated constructions sites.

 

[Ridley]

Yep. Getting ugly

Melbourne tradies storm union headquarters, throw bottles and chant in heated protest

CFMEU leader John Setka was on a loudspeaker asking the protesting workers to “calm down” as the violence escalated.

7news.com.au

These are the people that build our infrastructure? What disgraceful behaviour.

What the *smile* do they have against getting vaccinated? What are they scared of?

 

[Redford]

how entitled are the tradies? I work next to one of the biggest construction projects in Melbourne and the workers don’t wear masks (or don’t wear them correctly) at local cafe’s, they never check in, sook about not being able to use tearooms, and raid their own union office because they don’t want mandatory vaccines when COVID has infiltrated constructions sites.

They are, and always have been, a massive problem throughout this outbreak. They account for over 1/3 of cases apparently.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Do you characterise everything other than what Andrews decrees as "let it rip"?

Many of the News Corp opinion columnists are spruiking a thinly-veiled version of it.

 

[22nd Man]

Cous is a Dr in Melb can also confirm they are starting to feel it in this lockdown compared to other ones. Chronic fatigue. No outlet for them to recharge as he said. Go somewhere, do an activity, nothing. Long term restrictions beyond what they expected by govt. Its impating the H/system (how much, he didnt go into it). Very long shifts continually by many staff. They are doing the best as they can.

on another note, I happen to read (unclear how true), last April, Vic Govt were meant to increase ICU beds by 4800 beds around Vic as a state. Unsure if they have done that. Maybe govt might need to look at overseas to bring in qualified people (nurses & dr) if they are available. EG 200 Drs brought into WA.

Were all these pressures on ICU and resignations last year at the height of the pandemic? when there was there were months over 100 and weeks over 600.
Hospitalisations went under 10 on 25 Oct 2020 and were zero for months on end.. we have reached 100 for only two weeks now and the experts are predicting the collapse of the health system by Christmas.
What is different this time what has changed in hospital resourcing and planning in the last 11 months?

 

[22nd Man]

Many of the News Corp opinion columnists are spruiking a thinly-veiled version of it.

Well if they are the extreme then there is a lot of ground between Dan and Doom.

 

[22nd Man]

They are, and always have been, a massive problem throughout this outbreak. They account for over 1/3 of cases apparently.

Weimar said 13% last week sometime.

 

[Al Bundy]

These are the people that build our infrastructure? What disgraceful behaviour.

What the *smile* do they have against getting vaccinated? What are they scared of?

Go down there & ask 'em. Dare u. Go fly the flag for provax.

Its a choice & they dont want it. And that needs to be respected. Govt forcing it on them, well & u scratch yr head why??

Go down there & get firsthand knowledge. Let us know how u go. Dont stay behind the keyboard.

 

[Redford]

Weimar said 13% last week sometime.

Of the 450 cases Saturday week ago, (at least), 1/3 were associated with construction industry workers.

 

[22nd Man]

The planning , space creation/ infrastructure and equipment purchasing for a massive increase in ICU capacity was done last year but they have not been commissioned as yet because they have not needed to be. Hospitals can’t hold ICU capacity without patients because it effects normal activity.
In the last 2 weeks stage 1 has been put in place with some increase but there are multiple other stages ready to go if necessary.
Staff is the biggest issue. There just aren’t enough ICU doctors and nurses available and that would take years to create, so others will be brought in from other parts of the hospital system and that can only happen if something stops, like non urgent elective surgery. Getting staff is going to be by far the biggest blockage.

According to the resurrected Guy, Vic Gov said they were going to spend $1.3bn on upscaling ICU last year. That's a fair spend for it to go wasted through lack of staff.
On staffing -- when I worked in India it was common for papers to run stories of gleaming new medical facilities opened by politicians' that then stood idle because there wasn't any staff qualified to operate the gear. Easiest thing is to order a new piece of equipment.

 

[BT Tiger]

What a bunch of thugs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1439799043480178691

 

[22nd Man]

The far-right activist Avi Yemeni was amongst the crowd outside the CFMEU. Doubt that all the people there were actually workers in the construction industry. There must have been less than 200 in attendance anyway, so a very small representative sample of the industry. Essentilly they're a bunch of fringe loonies.

John Setka is clearly a thug, but i'm happy to hear his pro-vaccination radio ad last week. When he first started speaking i was actually expecting an anti-vaccination ad.

As an aside was a picture of a bloke with a Bunnings Trade hoodie about to belt a cop. Of course its nothing to do woth Bunnings but the PR spinners would be aghast.

 

[spook]

The far-right activist Avi Yemeni was amongst the crowd outside the CFMEU. Doubt that all the people there were actually workers in the construction industry. There must have been less than 200 in attendance anyway, so a very small representative sample of the industry. Essentilly they're a bunch of fringe loonies.

John Setka is clearly a thug, but i'm happy to hear his pro-vaccination radio ad last week. When he first started speaking i was actually expecting an anti-vaccination ad.

Yemeni's despicable.