Coronavirus

[MB78]

Could WA hospitals cope with a COVID-19 outbreak?

Despite sealing itself off with hard border closures, concerns remain about the capacity of Western Australia's health system to cope with a coronavirus outbreak.

www.abc.net.au

 

[eZyT]

I can understand the frustrations of some that they are unable to get back into WA to visit loved ones. I totally empathize with EzYt and DavidSSS when they describe not being able to see friends and family for 2 years now. I'd be devastated if I was in the same position.

But there seems to be a disproportionate amount of commentators (and posters) who aren't directly impacted by the border closures who are angry about it. These people mustn't know many people (if any) who have died from covid, or don't know anyone who works in health care, because i'm pretty sure those people are thinking the opposite.

Living a covid-free lifestyle sounds a hell of a lot better than what we're putting up with right now. And considering that the people of WA had an election only last year which McGowan won in a historical landslide, the earlier suggestions of Stockholm syndrome are laughable. Western Australians are perfectly content watching the eastern states struggle through covid while they continue living a life free of pestilence.

Yeah im looking at it from a 'me' perspective for sure.

Its something i try avoid, but sometimes fail.

I totally get why theyre staying shut,

But i think its pretty cynical and naiive.

It actually hurts my head, trying to understand

Being a hermetic Island whilst exporting a zillion tonnes of iron a day to a superpower,

And thinking a virus thats made it to Antartica, wont get in.

scott morrison couldnt lead a labrador to a rump steak

 

[Tigers of Old]

46 dead including an infant in the Gold Standard State today. Let it RIP.

 

[Tigers of Old]

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[eZyT]

How is correct when the hospital system in WA is ramping ambulances on a regular basis? Sounds like he has the whole state under prepared.

Yep, just another politician taking care of one persons interests.

Somethings gotta give.

Swapping out Albo for ScoMo is a tiny, and essential start.

But its gotta be a lot bigger than that.

Too big, i fear

 

[jb03]

There is a brilliant thread on twitter by Patrick Marlborough (@cormac_mccafe) about the state of the WA health system and the historical mistakes by Governments (including MCGowan) and why they simply can't afford COVID to run riot.

He may not be getting everything right but he's also not announcing 40 deaths.

 

[tigerman]

How is correct when the hospital system in WA is ramping ambulances on a regular basis? Sounds like he has the whole state under prepared.

Hospitals are an issue, and have been for quite some time. Wa hasn't really caught up with the mining boom of the 2000's.

When the mining boom was really cranking, 1,500 people were coming to Wa every week.

The Gallop/Carpenter Labor Government fully funded the the Fiona Stanley Hospital, lost an election, the Barnett Liberal government continued on with it's construction.

Barnett only won power with help of the Wa Nationals who bent Barnett over. Twenty Five % of all royalty payments to the state was set aside for reinvestment into regional WA.

Wa state government spending was redirected from major population centres like Perth to regional towns. Those little towns got new pools and the like, and there were a lot of new shire offices.

If those 1.500 people who were coming to Wa every week were living in the regional areas the royalties for regions would've been more justified and utilised a lot better.

The Royalties for regions were good for the regions.

With 25% of all royalty payments being snipped from projects in Perth and the like the royalties for regions was not so good for Perth.

I say good luck to the regional towns and centres, they deserved a lick of the ice-cream, but Perth suffered because of it.

I'm sorry this should probably be in the political thread, but I was just answering a question.

 

[eZyT]

Hospitals are an issue, and have been for quite some time. Wa hasn't really caught with the mining boom of the 2000's.

When the mining boom was really cranking, 1,500 people were coming to Wa every week.

The Gallop/Carpenter Labor Government fully funded the the Fiona Stanley Hospital, lost an election, the Barnett Liberal government continued on with it's construction.

Barnett only won power with help of the Wa Nationals who bent Barnett over. Twenty Five % of all royalty payments to the state was set aside for reinvestment into regional WA.

Wa state government spending was redirected from major population centres like Perth to regional towns. Those little towns got new pools and the like, and there were a lot of new shire offices.

If those 1.500 people who were coming to Wa every week were living in the regional areas the royalties for regions would've been more justified and utilised a lot better.

The Royalties for regions were good for the regions.

With 25% of all royalty payments being snipped from projects in Perth and the like the royalties for regions was not so good for Perth.

I say good luck to the regional towns and centres, they deserved a lick of the ice-cream, but Perth suffered because of it.

I'm sorry this should probably be in the political thread, but I was just answering a question.

Ive been to Karratha a couple of times, back before the Alsations patrolled the border.

And there is an architectural wonder of an Arts centre,

But i got the impression the hospital had no english speaking doctors or bandaids,

And the black kids riding around at midnight on burning trailbikes,

Hadnt seen a whole lot of the royalties either.

But the angular, perforated steel cladding on the new Hammersley Iron Centre had a glorious patina, clearly informed by the pilbara landscape. Oh, and elements of that dreamtime rainbow serpent thingy

 

[MB78]

Hospitals are an issue, and have been for quite some time. Wa hasn't really caught with the mining boom of the 2000's.

When the mining boom was really cranking, 1,500 people were coming to Wa every week.

The Gallop/Carpenter Labor Government fully funded the the Fiona Stanley Hospital, lost an election, the Barnett Liberal government continued on with it's construction.

Barnett only won power with help of the Wa Nationals who bent Barnett over. Twenty Five % of all royalty payments to the state was set aside for reinvestment into regional WA.

Wa state government spending was redirected from major population centres like Perth to regional towns. Those little towns got new pools and the like, and there were a lot of new shire offices.

If those 1.500 people who were coming to Wa every week were living in the regional areas the royalties for regions would've been more justified and utilised a lot better.

The Royalties for regions were good for the regions.

With 25% of all royalty payments being snipped from projects in Perth and the like the royalties for regions was not so good for Perth.

I say good luck to the regional towns and centres, they deserved a lick of the ice-cream, but Perth suffered because of it.

I'm sorry this should probably be in the political thread, but I was just answering a question.

Thanks for the reply. It’s interesting in regional Victoria everything is booming and so many have left Melbourne due to a number of reasons that are all Covid related.

Hopefully some of the money was spent on regional hospitals and they have some capacity to deal with the Covid patients when it does become an issue sometime in the future.

 

[tigerman]

Ive been to Karratha a couple of times, back before the Alsations patrolled the border.

And there is an architectural wonder of an Arts centre,

But i got the impression the hospital had no english speaking doctors or bandaids,

And the black kids riding around at midnight on burning trailbikes,

Hadnt seen a whole lot of the royalties either.

But the angular, perforated steel cladding on the new Hammersley Iron Centre had a glorious patina, clearly informed by the pilbara landscape.

I can't remember what year it was, but I remember reading that while the Royalties for Regions was still going, nearly $7 billion had been poured (redirected) into the regions.

Half of that money could've been spent in Perth on hospitals, roads and the like, after all Perth makes up for 80% of Wa's population.

It's little wonder that the seat of Nedlands with a median salary of over $250,00 voted Labor. Unheard of, and certainly had never happened before.

Colin Barnett probably still sits down a bit gingerly, because the Nationals sure did screw him.

 

[eZyT]

He may not be getting everything right but he's also not announcing 40 deaths.

hes not announcing the number of people who haven't seen their family for 2 years either,

maybe a pie chart of % of Lonely Births and Lonely Deaths and Lonely Ness?

time is a one-way track,

and I feel like we missed the station. or rather, like the station got concealed in an enourmous pile of bullcrap.

my POV has changed. Pivotted.

I'd make no apologies,

if every single person who ever said that phrase,

wasn't a *smile*.

so,

sorry. my POV may have had a blow out.

 

[jb03]

hes not announcing the number of people who haven't seen their family for 2 years either,

maybe a pie chart of % of Lonely Births and Lonely Deaths and Lonely Ness?

time is a one-way track,

and I feel like we missed the station. or rather, like the station got concealed in an enourmous pile of bullcrap.

my POV has changed. Pivotted.

I'd make no apologies,

if every single person who ever said that phrase,

wasn't a *smile*.

so,

sorry. my POV may have had a blow out.

Thanks Dane Swan.

 

[AngryAnt]

India, the champion of the Ivermectin crowd is not looking great in retrospect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1432799931190874119

 

[AngryAnt]

Thanks Dane Swan.

I think you'll find that's "Dr Dane Swan" thank you

 

[mrposhman]

Some really good trends starting to come out of the data/

I've been monitoring the hospitalisation % over the number of active cases (active cases on a 1 week lag). We were tracking fairly consistently on that metric at between 2.5-3%, but since the start of Jan this has declined to a current level of 0.5%, indicating far fewer people are getting sick enough to enter hospitals. We should be fairly comfortable with the hospitalisation number, but a question mark around active cases as fewer cases potentially being reported. From a stats perspective this is good, as if active cases were higher then we would actually see further declines in this ratio.

We can see this particularly affecting the last week or so, we have seen hospitalistations stabilise, 15th Jan we had 1,054 in hospital in VIC, now at 1,029, 4 days showing increases, 3 days showing decreases in that time, so potentially we may have peaked from a hospitalisation level. Thats not to say it will decrease and take pressure off the health service but hopefully this puts a cap on hospitalisation levels at least for the time being.

 

[Leysy Days]

Yep everything points to us being over the highest hump of this Omicron spread Posh.

 

[fastin bulbous]

I totally get that POV, and I respect McGowan for doing what leaders are suppose to do, and lead, even if I am disadvantaged by the direction.

However,

he's had 2 years to build the worlds best mega-ventilator ICU ('Hey Gina? build us a mega-ventilator ICU will you, and you can blow up as much of the world's oldest art you want').

Nah, he's just kicking the can down the road.

It may even be full of worms.

My Sonsee brother in law (I’ll fess up, he’s actually a Sonsie but swears there is an obscure related sonsee line ‘over east’) in wa is an ambo and says they are having to call crewS from out of Perth as often most or all ambulances are ramped all night. This has been going on for months. Hard to imagine the hospitals could handle any Covid pressure.

 

[Sintiger]

Some really good trends starting to come out of the data/

I've been monitoring the hospitalisation % over the number of active cases (active cases on a 1 week lag). We were tracking fairly consistently on that metric at between 2.5-3%, but since the start of Jan this has declined to a current level of 0.5%, indicating far fewer people are getting sick enough to enter hospitals. We should be fairly comfortable with the hospitalisation number, but a question mark around active cases as fewer cases potentially being reported. From a stats perspective this is good, as if active cases were higher then we would actually see further declines in this ratio.

We can see this particularly affecting the last week or so, we have seen hospitalistations stabilise, 15th Jan we had 1,054 in hospital in VIC, now at 1,029, 4 days showing increases, 3 days showing decreases in that time, so potentially we may have peaked from a hospitalisation level. Thats not to say it will decrease and take pressure off the health service but hopefully this puts a cap on hospitalisation levels at least for the time being.

Thanks Mr P . One week lag might be too short for hospitalisation but that is great info.
Hospitals are hopeful but I know there is major concern about cases rising with the return to school.
The Age article this morning is very interesting. Shows that Delta still had a major influence on serious cases.

Older Victorians hardest hit

 

[Tigers of Old]

Of the 34 deaths in NSW today, 23 of them were double vaxxed & two that were triple vaxxed. 6 had no vaccine.
So much for Omicron being mild hey Dom?
This is the type of data that needs to be released.

Schools are still about to be reopened with face to face learning...RAT tests will be part of the process..

 

[Tigers of Old]

Victorian update. Sounding a little more positive but with schools reopening soon it's got to be met with caution.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1485014468195418112