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Went from living 100% unhindered and virus free to know living pretty much like we do in Vic. Actually probably more sheltered due to being more scared of the Virus as haven't had to deal with it before.
Hysterically scared. Acting as if something worse than Ebola is airborne and as infectious as the common cold. Plus, I find when you take a devils advocate line of questioning with these people. There is a delusion in the back of their minds that if we just hunkered down for a bit longer, there would have been a day where COVID magically disappears into a fart in the breeze - we just need to wait for that day, then open. And if this doesn't happen, why can't we stay closed to the rest of the world forever? After all we were doing fine (I do like to point out to them, yes, doing fine living off redistribution of Commonwealth revenues).

My wife and I aren't let it rip, anti-vaxxers by any stretch. We are vaxxed and the kids have had their first dose and we obviously don't go out of our way to catch it. But there is a big difference between practical caution and being crippled with fear and hysteria that consumes your every thought and action. We just shake our heads at the absurd levels of hysteria we see among some of the populace in Tasmania. A colleague of hers was even abused by a bloke for failing to wear a mask while she was driving in the shopping mall car park (the colleague was in her own private vehicle.....by herself). Mrs PT works in communications and partly blames governments for dropping the ball on communication and not steering an evolution of the collective psychological mindset. As she said to me,"You feed someone baby food for long enough, all they will continue to want is baby food because they don't know anything else."

This was an interesting read that reminded me of what I observe around me in TAS.


Mrs PT has been watching and monitoring a FB site for work reasons. It's a group of people who are disillusioned with borders reopening and contract tracing not actively being done by govt anymore. It's called "Hobart exposure sites and COVID support group". There are some real nutters on there. It's become like a religion for them to follow. Or they are just addicted to the 'doom porn' they have become accustomed to. And can't deal with specific sites not being reported anymore from contract tracing data (as it is pointless when the virus is everywhere). It’s like they need their daily fix of ‘doom porn’ that they’re no longer getting with the winding down of information overload.

They also have their share of conspiracy theories as to how many additional, unpublished people are in ICU in hospital (I assume it got back to them from a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who knows a bloke who works washing dishes at the hospital cafeteria) with Omnicron, but the Govt is covering it up. Plus just stupid neurotic questions. "Is it true that pets can catch COVID from us? I don't actually have any pets, but just need to know." Christ, get a grip people.

The hypochondriac brigade are as nuts as the Trump flag waving anti-vaxx protestors, but the other way around. And both groups seem to have pretty big voices with the virtual megaphone of social media. As the article suggested, the pandemic has been the perfect cocktail to push us further down the road of deteriorating social cohesion and polarisation.
 
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yes, those RAT tests that are manufactured in Brisbane (funded by Aust taxpayers) and exported to USA (100,000 per day, expected to increase to 200,000 per day) are not available to Australians because they haven't been approved by TGA yet. Wonder when Slomo will get around to allowing TGA to approve them?
You are assuming that the manufacturer has submitted the application to TGA to approve. Do we know that has happened?
If they have then it is Hunt who needs a kick. He has escaped a lot of criticism so far
 
Curated by Antony Fitzpatrick- why is the sentence so true?
No I meant the last line in the description.
About the horror and inevitability of war, resultant sorrow and precarity of life.
He was mainly painting about war in Gallipoli .
The relevance to this discussion was about death and suffering from covid and the similar precarity of life.
 
You are assuming that the manufacturer has submitted the application to TGA to approve. Do we know that has happened?
If they have then it is Hunt who needs a kick. He has escaped a lot of criticism so far
Yes, they mentioned in an article I’ve posted earlier that TGA won’t approve them until mid year

Edit: sorry, my mistake. The company in Brisbane haven’t lodged with TGA (don’t know why), but a company in Melbourne, Lumos Diagnostics, have TGA approval still pending. They can manufacture 120 million kits a year. In Florida and currently sell them to Canada.

“We did exactly what we suggested to the government – we just happened to do it overseas,” he said. “I guarantee you we would have had manufacturing in Australia already. We would have been producing tests in Victoria, and we would have been shipping them nationally.” - Sam Lanyon, Lumos Diagnostics

 
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No I meant the last line in the description.
About the horror and inevitability of war, resultant sorrow and precarity of life.
He was mainly painting about war in Gallipoli .
The relevance to this discussion was about death and suffering from covid and the similar precarity of life.
Straight thru to the keeper.
 
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Yes, they mentioned in an article I’ve posted earlier that TGA won’t approve them until mid year

Edit: sorry, my mistake. The company in Brisbane haven’t lodged with TGA (don’t know why), but a company in Melbourne, Lumos Diagnostics, have TGA approval still pending. They can manufacture 120 million kits a year. In Florida and currently sell them to Canada.

“We did exactly what we suggested to the government – we just happened to do it overseas,” he said. “I guarantee you we would have had manufacturing in Australia already. We would have been producing tests in Victoria, and we would have been shipping them nationally.” - Sam Lanyon, Lumos Diagnostics

It would be interesting to know if Minister Humpty has asked the TGA to fast track
 
If Australia is 90% double vaxed, doesn't that mean 10% of Australian aren't vaxed, and doesnt that mean around 2.5 million people?

and if they need 2 doses, isn't that 5 million doses?

Novovax isnt approved as a booster, so we'd use 5 million maximum, assuming we are entirely out of all other vaccines?

and the government line is 'these protein vaccines are designed to fax the unvaccinated'. there's no indication of foreign aid.

so,

question 1: why have we ordered 50 million?

question 2: why doesnt anything any government explains, make any sense at all anymore?

also,

McGowan turns back from no turning back. He's a *smile*, but he'd be a helluva field commander to fight under in a war
 
Still half expecting McGowan to pull the pin on borders opening on 5th Feb.

and thats why Leysy is a gifted punter.

This bloke backed the wrong horse,

and will spend the next 10 hours listening to Greensleeves and trying to understand the nice Bangladeshy Jetstar operator, cancelling cars and hotels,

and ultimately, doing a heap more dough,

all whilst feeling pretty sad about going into year 3 of not seeing family I love.

But, nobody is dropping bombs on us, and Dusty plays for Richmond.

which is good.
 
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McGowan is one tough mofo of a Premier. Strong leader who's doing his best to look after his state. Basically the polar opposite of Domicron.
That said this hard border is going to mess with a lot of people's lives.

The media will criticise McGowan. The right will criticise McGowan. Even I have thought he has been over the top on some occasions. But this time he is 100% correct. 507 deaths over the past 10 days nationally. It would be madness to be in their position and open up.

McGowan is the opposite of Morrison and Domicron. The health and wellbeing of Western Australian’s always come first.

The only criticism I have is the 14-day quarantine period for visitors. It not necessary for triple vaxxed people. It really should be 7 days.
 
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The media will criticise McGowan. The right will criticise McGowan. Even I have thought he has been over the top on some occasions. But this time he is 100% correct. 507 deaths over the past 10 days nationally. It would be madness to be in their position and open up.

I totally get that POV, and I respect McGowan for doing what leaders are suppose to do, and lead, even if I am disadvantaged by the direction.

However,

he's had 2 years to build the worlds best mega-ventilator ICU ('Hey Gina? build us a mega-ventilator ICU will you, and you can blow up as much of the world's oldest art you want').

Nah, he's just kicking the can down the road.

It may even be full of worms.
 
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The media will criticise McGowan. The right will criticise McGowan. Even I have thought he has been over the top on some occasions. But this time he is 100% correct. 507 deaths over the past 10 days nationally. It would be madness to be in their position and open up.

McGowan is the opposite of Morrison and Domicron. The health and wellbeing of Western Australian’s always come first.

The only criticism I have is the 14-day quarantine period for visitors. It not necessary for triple vaxxed people. It really should be 7 days.
I have been listening to the ABC radio this morning. And I heard a lady speak about their family experience with a daughter calling in about mother who is going through end of life. The mother and daughter both understand as the mother was a former nurse. As the daughter put it McGowan has failed to ensure that the WA health systems can cope with any Covid. The ambulances are already ramping there. Can anyone here speak on the WA health system?

When will they be ready? How many vaccinations will we need to take before opening? If you are triple vaccinated it should be open.

NSW health systems don’t have code brown as yet. Yet we do in Victoria. Yet NSW get all the negative comments!
 
We have friends in WA that are devastated by this announcement. With an elderly mother in Adelaide they haven't seen for 2 years, I assume they can come over but can't easily return. There must be so many in similar positions.

And still McGowan is riding high in the polls. Serious Stockholm syndrome going on over there.

I kind of understand why he's doing it. Their health system will struggle with a big outbreak. Ramping has been an issue for quite a while in W.A. Bottom line is it's coming to W.A. and they have been lagging in getting people vaccinated.
 
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You just have to love Stockholm Syndrome.....what a whacky bunch we humans are!
How about Havana Syndrome.....a much higher level of neurotic whackiness.
Think I saw Melbourne Syndrome at the AO last night.
 
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You just have to love Stockholm Syndrome.....what a whacky bunch we humans are!
How about Havana Syndrome.....a much higher level of neurotic whackiness.
Think I saw Melbourne Syndrome at the AO last night.
Very alive and well in this thread. If you are a cheerleader for Governments and are prepared to allow your vote to be taken for granted you are part of the problem.
 
Think I saw Melbourne Syndrome at the AO last night.

feeling like *smile* today.

perversely, this cheered me up.

thanks PT.

p.s. I think there may just be time for Howards culture war to escalate into a civil war, before the planet and all mammals on it die.

question: in what world does the Spanish word for yes (think Manuel in Faulty Towers), sound like Boooo?

Si : Boooooooooo

I cant see even John Laws or Les Murray pairing them in a rhyming couplet? (note: John Laws once paired 'Bread' with 'Grand Mother')

and the winner is (drum rolls) ........................ The John Howard and Rupert Murdoch Cultural Destruction Trio

yeah, not feeling too crash hot today.

If you don't agree with me, get *smile*

Melbourne: Victoria one day, far North Queensland the next. and far Eastern South Africa the day after that.
 
I can well understand what McGowan is doing, given the spread around the rest of the country and the deaths he doesn't want the same thing in WA.

I well understand the impact. My father went into a home last year and I still have credit with Qantas for a cancelled flight to Perth for his 90th. Not sure when I can go over there now. Also know someone who is here at the moment, was planning to return home on Feb 5 (to her job), and she is here because her brother is now very unwell and she needed to visit.

But the real question is how WA eventually opens up. I know they are talking 3 doses now but what if that isn't enough. McGowan will be worried about the health impact of opening up, along with the political impact, but opening up WA has to happen and it is not going to be easy as COVID will spread. Not sure what they do now, I would have at least partially opened up on Feb 5 if I was in their position as the closed border cannot go on for much longer. They have protected themselves from the virus but built themselves a problem in doing so.

DS
 
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I totally get that POV, and I respect McGowan for doing what leaders are suppose to do, and lead, even if I am disadvantaged by the direction.

However,

he's had 2 years to build the worlds best mega-ventilator ICU ('Hey Gina? build us a mega-ventilator ICU will you, and you can blow up as much of the world's oldest art you want').

Nah, he's just kicking the can down the road.

It may even be full of worms.

But you know, if it keeps that bloke Palmer out of WA for a little while longer, can’t be all bad. ;););)
 
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But you know, if it keeps that bloke Palmer out of WA for a little while longer, can’t be all bad. ;););)

I like that too.

very glass half full.

But Clive would need to go public with cancer of the rectum, tongue and bones, to cheer me up today