Tell that to the growing economies.
BTW I agree with you to a large extent, we need to have a major shift away from rampant consumption. Getting rid of a majority of marketing and advertising firms would be a start.
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BTW I agree with you to a large extent, we need to have a major shift away from rampant consumption. Getting rid of a majority of marketing and advertising firms would be a start.
It’s a massive problem of externalities.
The externalities of future lives and their quality of life and non human lives just don’t weigh up in any decision making as you don’t have to pay for abusing them.
Building things that last, making things repairable, sharing in a community things that you use once a month or a year etc would make a difference - but it makes companies earn less. We have libraries, but people will still want to own their own copy of a book.
Capitalism in its current form generates many great outcomes but it is also generates massive exploitation of externalities. We are going to need a massive revamp of our system or it is hard to see how we do anything but accelerate towards the cliff edge especially as TM put it, can’t see anyone who was wealth like most aussies giving it up to hunt kangaroos with sticks.
The externalities of future lives and their quality of life and non human lives just don’t weigh up in any decision making as you don’t have to pay for abusing them.
Building things that last, making things repairable, sharing in a community things that you use once a month or a year etc would make a difference - but it makes companies earn less. We have libraries, but people will still want to own their own copy of a book.
Capitalism in its current form generates many great outcomes but it is also generates massive exploitation of externalities. We are going to need a massive revamp of our system or it is hard to see how we do anything but accelerate towards the cliff edge especially as TM put it, can’t see anyone who was wealth like most aussies giving it up to hunt kangaroos with sticks.
I think if you ask those in Northern NSW and Southern Queensland at the moment, or Eastern Victoria at the start of 2020, they will tell you that these are not future externalities, they are very much current externalities.
The sooner we get on to reducing CO2 emissions the easier and less painful it will be.
DS
The sooner we get on to reducing CO2 emissions the easier and less painful it will be.
DS
Well also, if humans were to live such an existence, I have seen analysis that suggests the earth could probably only support 80 to 100million people as an absolute max, living a hunter gatherer lifestyle. So 7.8billion people would need to go out of existence for that to occur. Not sure which 7.8bn people would volunteer for that.
Despite popular perception, a hunter gather existence actually has a larger per head impact on the sustainability of the planet for human habitation. Obviously different strains on the environment than an industrialised existence. But per head, a greater impact nonetheless. It's kind of a natural, self sustaining, self fulfilling loop. Think of it like if too many animals live in an area, they run out of food and die off to a more sustainable population size. It works the same way.
By discovering modern agriculture, modern manufacturing, modern science and medicine - general industrialisation. It's the central reason as to why humans have been able to to break out of the natural self fulfilling balance and grow in numbers beyond what the humanity/nature balance would self regulate. It's a double edged sword where the human population at anywhere close to the current magnitude cannot survive without these industrialised systems in place. But the industrialised systems will eventually kill the planet for human habitation anyway.
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So eventually we'll simply end up travelling in ever decreasing circles n disappear up or own clackers. At least until we manage to find some sort of equitable balance.
Sounds like a great idea, but as is currently happening the rich n developed countries simply price themselves out of the market while trying to create fancy new technologies. While the developing countries utilize all the cheap n nasty disgusting fossil fuels to manufacture all of the comsumerism stuff we want cheap n stink up the entire planet as they try to improve their own life situation.
Still on the ever decreasing circles merry go round.
Interested to know how companies relocate to China as foreign ownership is complicated in China. Do you have links to demonstrate how a large proportion of production in China has been from relocations?
You said it more succinctly and efficiently than I. I was always that kid at school who wrote well, but lost considerable marks for going over the word count, or ran out of time during the written answer exam questions. I could talk under water, but didn't have that ability to put it into fewer words.
Not necessarily directly relocated, but there would be numerous examples of companies closing their domestic factories and then using outsourced providers within China (alleviating the issue over equity control of factories within China).
Yep. On top of that you also have the capacity for Chinese companies to buy the brand name of existing but struggling international companies then simply marketing their own products under a globally recognised moniker.
Yeah, but if you have ever seen the way an MG was put together back in the day that might be a good thing
DS
Wasn't that much wrong with the old Pommie motoring industry back in the day, they had some classic motors. Just stuffed up by a bit of bovver with the unions n inability to modernise.Yeah, but if you have ever seen the way an MG was put together back in the day that might be a good thing
DS
MG now Chinese
Jaguar, first Ford then Tata India
Rover went British Leyland subsidiary then Honda built some of their motors n then got swallowed up by Tata
Rolls Royce is now a fancy Bimmer
Bentley is now a posh Vee Wee
Aston Martin had a relationship with Ford n played up a bit with Benz but still exists as basically British.
Austin, Morris, Leyland etc pretty much a nightmare n whatever scraps might still exist somewhere I'm pretty sure are buried under a carpet in China
Vauxhall are General Motors.
Pretty sad historical decline for their entire industry that it's pretty much all been swallowed up by other manufacturers.
All powered by Lucas Electrics: The Prince of Darkness!
Don't ever remind us, appalling electricals.
I once had a mini, the head gasket went so I replaced it. I noticed that it was a mm or 2 off in various places but, this was the first time I had replaced a head gasket so figured it was just normal. A few years later I rebuilt the motor on an old Nissan Patrol. Now, this was an old model so had the Bedford motor (designed by a UK motor company, but made by Nissan). When replacing the head gasket I noticed it was millimetre perfect. Now this is a head gasket, it needs to be right, the compression of the motor, the water and oil running through the block and the head, all need to be perfectly sealed and the gasket needs to be spot on, not "close enough". The Lucas electricals were a nightmare too!
My neighbour used to own an MG (Midget I think). He once showed me a steering arm. The arm had about 4 ball joints. Why? Because the steering arm had to go around the suspension which was in the way. How the f*ck do you design the front end of a car where the suspension gets in the way of the steering? It is nonsensical, if this happens you redesign the front end. Needless to say the steering on that car was not good.
The poms have made some good cars but geez they made some crap - badly designed, badly made and mediocre.
Anyway, got a bit off topic, but they have put out some terrible cars over the years.
DS
This should be front page news everywhere.
www.theguardian.com
Heatwaves at both of Earth’s poles alarm climate scientists
Antarctic areas reach 40C above normal at same time as north pole regions hit 30C above usual levels
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This should be front page news everywhere.
Heatwaves at both of Earth’s poles alarm climate scientists
Antarctic areas reach 40C above normal at same time as north pole regions hit 30C above usual levels
That's scary. I'm going to restart my kids swimming lessons I think.
