2022 Draft Thread

[Scoop]

Thoughts on Cadman, Keeler & Jefferson? With the way things are going the Taranto opportunity cost will be at least Cadman & potentially Jefferson & Keeler combined.

I identified Cadman early this year, I’m a huge fan but he’s top 5. We ain’t getting a look. He’s got everything you need in a key forward. At times he moves like Pav.

I like the other two, I probably have Jefferson slightly ahead of Keeler. But we wont have a pick inside 29, all will be gone. Even if we keep 19, we’d be lucky to get one. Jefferson has freak factor, his ceiling is so high.

 

[Scoop]

Cadman is ranked 4-8 based on several rankings, 12 + 19 would be around the mark.

I don’t think that trade is close to happening. You would need to get into the top 6 to get Cadman.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Midfielders are a dime a dozen, key forwards as rare as hen's teeth, there is some logic, even if you don't see it.

True Bully. But the way the game is played now a batch of premium Mids can also make a moderate forward half perform premium. Woofers 2016 Tigers 2017 Smelbourne 2021.

 

[bullus_hit]

May as well close thread for Thai years draft No doubt we have a KPF free agent lined up for 2025 .

Potentially the next 2 seasons forward half is better then our Premiership 2017 one , Lynch, Jack, Dusty , Timmy T , Cumberland, MJ , Bauer , Bolton, Clarke etc

lol funny enough I have run into quite a few holidaying footballers in the Land Of Smiles, cricketers as well, it's a very popular off season destination

But you are still dealing in hypotheticals. Why would a club with a top 5 pick trade it for picks 12 & 19? History says that never happens.

Sure I am but several clubs have already put their pick on the market, West Coast clearly want Hewett & Busslinger, that's a starting point. But even if Cadman is out of reach there's a very good chance Keeler or Jefferson land at pick 12, I would be holding that pick given there are several acceptable scenarios.

 

[bullus_hit]

True Bully. But the way the game is played now a batch of premium Mids can also make a moderate forward half perform premium. Woofers 2016 Tigers 2017 Smelbourne 2021.

Just out of interest, which free agent forward do you think the club has its eyes on?

 

[mrposhman]

Just out of interest, which free agent forward do you think the club has its eyes on?

The 2 which I'd take a look at (end of 2024) would be Todd Marshall and Nick Larkey.

 

[Smoking Aces]

lol funny enough I have run into quite a few holidaying footballers in the Land Of Smiles, cricketers as well, it's a very popular off season destination

Sure I am but several clubs have already put their pick on the market, West Coast clearly want Hewett & Busslinger, that's a starting point. But even if Cadman is out of reach there's a very good chance Keeler or Jefferson land at pick 12, I would be holding that pick given there are several acceptable scenarios.

Sorry BH disagree with you on this. No way am I giving up the opportunity to land two proven very good players who can help us win us another flag for some speculative kids.

 

[bullus_hit]

The 2 which I'd take a look at (end of 2024) would be Todd Marshall and Nick Larkey.

Both trending in the right direction, worth a look if they can consolidate their standing as 40 goal forwards.

Sorry BJ disagree with you on this. No way am I giving up the opportunity to land two proven very good players who can help us win us another flag for some speculative kids.

You can still have another tilt with some cheap top ups like Mitchell & Crouch, you can also maintain the rebuild by bringing in Jack's apprentice. It's a little bit of an each way bet but two 7 year deals feels like all the chips have been placed on the table for one final tilt at glory. If this doesn't come off then it could get messy.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Both trending in the right direction, worth a look if they can consolidate their standing as 40 goal forwards.


You can still have another tilt with some cheap top ups like Mitchell & Crouch, you can also maintain the rebuild by bringing in Jack's apprentice. It's a little bit of an each way bet but two 7 year deals feels like all the chips have been placed on the table for one final tilt at glory. If this doesn't come off then it could get messy.

Don’t get caught up in the length of the contract. The money is the same and if anything it gives us more flexibility with the salary cap because the money is spread over longer term.

And you can’t compare the quality of Taranto and Hopper compared to Crouch and Mitchell. If the latter were good players their respective clubs wouldn’t be shopping them around. Further to that those players have no place in the way we play but also how the game is trending. Sideways ball movement that those two players bring is a recipe for disaster.

 

[mrposhman]

The other thing with the 7 year deals are that the 2 of them won't be like mid 30's by the time the 7 years completes.

Taranto will turn 31 in his final year and Hopper will turn 32 in his final year.

 

[bullus_hit]

Don’t get caught up in the length of the contract. The money is the same and if anything it gives us more flexibility with the salary cap because the money is spread over longer term.

And you can’t compare the quality of Taranto and Hopper compared to Crouch and Mitchell. If the latter were good players their respective clubs wouldn’t be shopping them around. Further to that those players have no place in the way we play but also how the game is trending. Sideways ball movement that those two players bring is a recipe for disaster.

Taranto is cut from the same cloth, just my opinion, his disposals don't hurt the opposition, he's not a line breaker, he doesn't hit the scoreboard nearly enough. This may change of course, there's still time on his side but it's far from a certainty, hence it may hamper our attempts to bring in a true A grader down the track, midfielder or otherwise.

I feel better about Hopper, I don't think the cost will be outrageous, he's shown enough from a performance perspective to put me at ease. I don't even have concerns about upside, I know exactly what we're getting & it's a clear requirement whilst we have Short rotating through the midfield. If Grundy isn't in our sights then this isn't a bad alternative.

I think when assessing the Taranto deal in particular, one has to look at things in totality. For arguments sake, let's assume Hopper goes for pick 19 & Soldo, that seems fair weight to me, although we'd need to get a back-up ruck with a third rounder. That leaves pick 12 on the table, it also protects next year's first, we also get a junior key forward through the doors. Clearly not enough for Cadman just judging by the comments above but Keeler or Jefferson not a terrible consolation prize. You then throw a 2 year deal at Mitchell who will match the output of Taranto in my opinion, if all turns to dust next year we're still well placed to clear the decks and start again.

This is the year to grab a key forward, anyone out of Cadman, Jefferson or Keeler will do, a year of Jack tutelage the perfect way to kick off a kid's AFL journey.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Taranto is cut from the same cloth, just my opinion, his disposals don't hurt the opposition, he's not a line breaker, he doesn't hit the scoreboard nearly enough. This may change of course, there's still time on his side but it's far from a certainty, hence it may hamper our attempts to bring in a true A grader down the track, midfielder or otherwise.

I feel better about Hopper, I don't think the cost will be outrageous, he's shown enough from a performance perspective to put me at ease. I don't even have concerns about upside, I know exactly what we're getting & it's a clear requirement whilst we have Short rotating through the midfield. If Grundy isn't in our sights then this isn't a bad alternative.

I think when assessing the Taranto deal in particular, one has to look at things in totality. For arguments sake, let's assume Hopper goes for pick 19 & Soldo, that seems fair weight to me, although we'd need to get a back-up ruck with a third rounder. That leaves pick 12 on the table, it also protects next year's first, we also get a junior key forward through the doors. Clearly not enough for Cadman just judging by the comments above but Keeler or Jefferson not a terrible consolation prize. You then throw a 2 year deal at Mitchell who will match the output of Taranto in my opinion, if all turns to dust next year we're still well placed to clear the decks and start again.

This is the year to grab a key forward, anyone out of Cadman, Jefferson or Keeler will do, a year of Jack tutelage the perfect way to kick off a kid's AFL journey.

Let’s see how this plays out. I think you are underselling Taranto’s ability here. Time will tell.

Both these 2 players will cost us 1 1/2 first round picks. So picks 12, 19 & next years first gets the job done. GWS will probably give us back pick 39.

If it involves a player we could keep pick 19 and throw in pick 30 instead.

 

[Cooper O'Reilly]

Given their friendship I wonder if Hopper would have chosen us if Taranto wasn’t coming as well.

I get a Prestia Caddy vibe about the situation

 

[TigerMasochist]

Just out of interest, which free agent forward do you think the club has its eyes on?

Haaarrrgh. I'm the wrong bloke to be asking that, I don't follow the opposition clubs anywhere near enough to even think I'd know which players would even be worth chasing or how much to spend on them. I'd much rather simply enjoy watching the Tigers play footy and be *smile* farting about with some random speculation, without the drama n stress of trying to prove my knowledge n credentials of which player to pick in what draft or poach from where.
I'll just happily sit back n watch all the knowledgeable posters on here tie themselves in knots arguing semantics at one another.

Obviously as a free agent we'd be looking at getting a decent talent which would cost us shekels n a longer term deal. Bloosers McKay springs to mind but plenty would be into him n seriously expensive. King up at Mould Coast but he's still a few years off, would also be expensive. Himmelburg at Gee Whizz but they might already be fairly pissed off at us. Marshall from Port, also a few years off. Not sure there's all that many quality key forwards around to be snaffled. Reckon we're reasonably supplied with developing small to medium forwards at the moment. Might have to hope that Delilah n Bauer develop up to be at least reasonable key forwards to cover for Jaaack n Lynchman replacements for a bit.
Strengthen the mid field n vary our small med forwards to get some decent supply n options might have to see us through for a few years, it seems to work reasonably well for a few clubs. Colonwood seem to be the latest team using this method to very good effect. As I mentioned previously 16 woofers, 17 Tigers,
21 Smelbourne , 22 Colonwood aint dead yet.

 

[Tigerfan]

Sure I am but several clubs have already put their pick on the market, West Coast clearly want Hewett & Busslinger, that's a starting point. But even if Cadman is out of reach there's a very good chance Keeler or Jefferson land at pick 12, I would be holding that pick given there are several acceptable scenarios.

Do they still have a rule for clubs taking a minimum of three draft picks?

 

[King Kong]

Do they still have a rule for clubs taking a minimum of three draft picks?

Yes but it can include rookie upgrades now. So we could upgrade Biggy, Miller and Pickett and not have to take any picks

 

[eZyT]

Interesting story by toomey about clubs trading cap space.

Its gonna go all wolf of wall street.

And only a matter of time before forward contracts are signed like NRL

And we see the absurd situation of say Dusty playing for is in 2025, while hes contracted to Gold Coast in 2026.

But i reckon we can get our 15th flag,

Before its completely rooted by money, TV gambling and the snouts in troughs

 

[bullus_hit]

Do they still have a rule for clubs taking a minimum of three draft picks?

That rule has become null & void because you simply promote a player from the rookie list if you are struggling to fill spots on the main list.

 

[Berwick boy]

Interesting story by toomey about clubs trading cap space.

Its gonna go all wolf of wall street.

And only a matter of time before forward contracts are signed like NRL

And we see the absurd situation of say Dusty playing for is in 2025, while hes contracted to Gold Coast in 2026.

But i reckon we can get our 15th flag,

Before its completely rooted by money, TV gambling and the snouts in troughs

I hope not as I absolutely hate the way NRL sign for anther club a year out. Its *smile*.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I hope not as I absolutely hate the way NRL sign for anther club a year out. Its *smile*.

Don't have the slightest problem with it. They're professional players, yet we treat them like cattle at times, claiming ownership n buying or selling when it suits us but not them. AFL system is still running around half pregnant.