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2022 Draft Thread

TigerMasochist

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Our mantra is always best available at the draft. I assume the only time we might look at a tall over a small is if we have rated them the same in terms of talent.
Question is how far do you lock into a mantra?
Mid sized players are available everywhere in the draft each and every year. We grabbed a bunch of mid sized kids last year and now we've topped up with two mature mids as well.
Historically the taller players take a year or two longer to develop the physical attributes to compete at elite level.

We're not speculating on the ability or potential growth and development of top ten or even top thirty picks this year, we're speculating on a couple of picks outside the top 50. This is " diamonds in the rough " territory so from my line of thought we should be considering more towards a needs and development time frame selection process. Obviously I'm not advocating just picking up any old spud just because he's tall, but we should be considering talls that meet decent talent requirements over mids with similar talent.
 

Smoking Aces

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Question is how far do you lock into a mantra?
Mid sized players are available everywhere in the draft each and every year. We grabbed a bunch of mid sized kids last year and now we've topped up with two mature mids as well.
Historically the taller players take a year or two longer to develop the physical attributes to compete at elite level.

We're not speculating on the ability or potential growth and development of top ten or even top thirty picks this year, we're speculating on a couple of picks outside the top 50. This is " diamonds in the rough " territory so from my line of thought we should be considering more towards a needs and development time frame selection process. Obviously I'm not advocating just picking up any old spud just because he's tall, but we should be considering talls that meet decent talent requirements over mids with similar talent.
I understand where you are coming from and agree with your line of thinking. Low risk / high reward at that point of the draft. We aren’t shy at having a crack at that end of the draft with speculative talls. Just look at Miller and where he was taken in the draft. But my guess he was best available. We could do the same this year. But like you said no point in picking a tall for the sake of it.
 

nikolasmia

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Logic will prevail

If we don’t take a tall in the draft you can assume we rate the mid size player really really high

Otherwise it will be a tall .

So unless someone we rate slips way down the draft order we will select a tall .
 
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turk-d-tiger

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It would not surprise me at all to see us select small/Medium players in the draft going for best available
We are very well run club these days and Blair would have a KPF he has his eyes on and in discussion with to bring to the club to replace Jack
 
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Scoop

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If Binns is around that pick I’d take him ahead of the talls.
 
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mrposhman

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Looks like Archie Lovelock might be a rookie pick. Would be the perfect rookie pick for us, we've done very well with those shorter blokes in recent years in the rookie draft, Lambert, Short, Bakes etc
 

turk-d-tiger

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This is going to be a very interesting draft for Richmond
Our need for talls and players like Scully , Lemmy , Foster and a few more not rated in the top 50
we might actually end up with a couple of late gems and some interesting players in the rookie draft

Cant wait to see our new champions
 
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fastin bulbous

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I don’t understand what Scully has going for him except he’s tall. I would avoid. I think a player has to have at least 1 exceptional quality to make it at the top level and he’s tall is not one. Average kick, average mark, average smarts. I can see it with Lemmy though.
 
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turk-d-tiger

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Whilst we are all expecting talls in the draft it wouldnt surprise me to see our recruiting team take 2 players like
Teal & Lovelock

Oh the melts
 
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DuD_Delist

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It would not surprise me at all to see us select small/Medium players in the draft going for best available
We are very well run club these days and Blair would have a KPF he has his eyes on and in discussion with to bring to the club to replace Jack
Reckon it'll be Gibcus fwd
Or
Someone like Treacy(freo)
 

Dev Tiger

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I reckon we might target Harry Himmleberg next year as a free agent. He is great mates with Taranto and is probably the best bet as a key forward free agent.
 
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tigersnake

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Well, watching the u18s closely and consistently, (NAB, Championships, various young players in state league games (which is surprisingly rare, see below), this year for the first time has been an eye opener. Because its my first time watching closely I can't compare to other years with any rigour, and I'd be interested to hear what those who do watch it closely every year think.

1) There is no player in this years draft who I'd give my left nut for, players who look like you could build a side around them. Theres a few I like, Cadman no 1 for me, and I like Humphrey, Is this the same most years? Or is it because its a down year? In the past there has been a few players who I prayed we'd get, Cotchy was the main one, Dusty too. But were they similar to say an Ashcroft/ Humphrey in their draft years, or are this years crop just not as good? Its hard to simplify, but I'll give it a crack, for me, the good players, say Ashcroft, Tsitas, don't have enough gamebreaker, and the gamebreakers, say BH, MP, don't have enough good.

2) My hunch is its a poor year, could be covid, could be just a poor year, could be a bit of both. Will be a lot of busts early, and more than usual hits late.

3) playing the percentages, its a good year to have traded out of the draft. Puts a big dollop of passionfruit icing on the Hopranto trade. I'd say it was always a key aspect of the move, but still, nice.

4) There is a fair dose of hivemind in the draft, again don't know if its every year, don't know if its more so this year, don't know if its related to cuts in the soft cap meaning less scouts. Quite a few players hyped on the basis of not much, I don't like to bag young hopefuls, and I won't much, but I wish them well, they are still good players even if they are overhyped, they might be a solid 3rd rounder hyped as a late first for example. But a few examples:

Ginbey, OK in the champs, 4 WAFL seniors games, 3 underwhelming 1 good. Good athlete obviously, but top 10 footy player? All things being equal, late 2nd early 3rd.
Phillipou, Good in the champs, 3 SANFL reserves games, All OK, didn't break any games open, and its reserves. ATBE, 2nd round.
Lachie Cowan, OK Champs, I'd call them solid, HBF. To my knowledge no senior football, all u18s. Not a mid, not a fwd, a Half back flanker. Check out his highlight real, 90 seconds in total, not much time to show your wares, and for a whole years work, 30 seconds are kick-ins. One third, kick-ins. ATBE, 3rd round.

What is the big standout of the 3 above? 188-192cm, as far as I can tell. Ginbey looks quick sometimes, Phillipou can take a mark, Cowan has a long kick, thats it.

Then there are quite a few, a lot actually, who are hyped on the back of a few good WAFL/ SANFL colts or u18s games, might only be half a dozen in some cases. In Victoria, senior football isn't required at all for your CV, NAB league and champs is all that matters, and attendance at an elite private school.

There is no Timmy Watson about this years draft. The man who played his 50th senior game for Essendon on his 18th Birthday. (Thats one of my favourite footy facts). I understand Timmy was a freak and times have changed...but still. Dusty used to dominate for Vic Country, the Pioneers AND Castlemaine seniors. And I don't think he went to Caulfield Grammar.
 
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Well, watching the u18s closely and consistently, (NAB, Championships, various young players in state league games (which is surprisingly rare, see below), this year for the first time has been an eye opener. Because its my first time watching closely I can't compare to other years with any rigour, and I'd be interested to hear what those who do watch it closely every year think.

1) There is no player in this years draft who I'd give my left nut for, players who look like you could build a side around them. Theres a few I like, Cadman no 1 for me, and I like Humphrey, Is this the same most years? Or is it because its a down year? In the past there has been a few players who I prayed we'd get, Cotchy was the main one, Dusty too. But were they similar to say an Ashcroft/ Humphrey in their draft years, or are this years crop just not as good? Its hard to simplify, but I'll give it a crack, for me, the good players, say Ashcroft, Tsitas, don't have enough gamebreaker, and the gamebreakers, say BH, MP, don't have enough good.

2) My hunch is its a poor year, could be covid, could be just a poor year, could be a bit of both. Will be a lot of busts early, and more than usual hits late.

3) playing the percentages, its a good year to have traded out of the draft. Puts a big dollop of passionfruit icing on the Hopranto trade. I'd say it was always a key aspect of the move, but still, nice.

4) There is a fair dose of hivemind in the draft, again don't know if its every year, don't know if its more so this year, don't know if its related to cuts in the soft cap meaning less scouts. Quite a few players hyped on the basis of not much, I don't like to bag young hopefuls, and I won't much, but I wish them well, they are still good players even if they are overhyped, they might be a solid 3rd rounder hyped as a late first for example. But a few examples:

Ginbey, OK in the champs, 4 WAFL seniors games, 3 underwhelming 1 good. Good athlete obviously, but top 10 footy player? All things being equal, late 2nd early 3rd.
Phillipou, Good in the champs, 3 SANFL reserves games, All OK, didn't break any games open, and its reserves. ATBE, 2nd round.
Lachie Cowan, OK Champs, I'd call them solid, HBF. To my knowledge no senior football, all u18s. Not a mid, not a fwd, a Half back flanker. Check out his highlight real, 90 seconds in total, not much time to show your wares, and for a whole years work, 30 seconds are kick-ins. One third, kick-ins. ATBE, 3rd round.

What is the big standout of the 3 above? 188-192cm, as far as I can tell. Ginbey looks quick sometimes, Phillipou can take a mark, Cowan has a long kick, thats it.

Then there are quite a few, a lot actually, who are hyped on the back of a few good WAFL/ SANFL colts or u18s games, might only be half a dozen in some cases. In Victoria, senior football isn't required at all for your CV, NAB league and champs is all that matters, and attendance at an elite private school.

There is no Timmy Watson about this years draft. The man who played his 50th senior game for Essendon on his 18th Birthday. (Thats one of my favourite footy facts). I understand Timmy was a freak and times have changed...but still. Dusty used to dominate for Vic Country, the Pioneers AND Castlemaine seniors. And I don't think he went to Caulfield Grammar.
Correct/yes …whatever ….on all fronts.
 
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Scoop

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Don’t disagree with a lot of that Snake.

I do think Cadman is as good as a key forward prospect that has been in the draft since the Kings. You can build your forward line around him. I’m a fan of blokes who have played small and then have that late growth spurt like Cadman, they keep the small man skills.

I’m enamoured with Phillipou, he’s got everything I like in tall mids. Could end up the best player in the draft. But I do think this crop will produce core footballers but I don’t know about elites. I’ve been consistent with what we’ve done in this draft, I’m ok with it. Keep a couple of late lottery picks to plug gaps. Lemmey & Binns in my sights.
 
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fastin bulbous

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Well, watching the u18s closely and consistently, (NAB, Championships, various young players in state league games (which is surprisingly rare, see below), this year for the first time has been an eye opener. Because its my first time watching closely I can't compare to other years with any rigour, and I'd be interested to hear what those who do watch it closely every year think.

1) There is no player in this years draft who I'd give my left nut for, players who look like you could build a side around them. Theres a few I like, Cadman no 1 for me, and I like Humphrey, Is this the same most years? Or is it because its a down year? In the past there has been a few players who I prayed we'd get, Cotchy was the main one, Dusty too. But were they similar to say an Ashcroft/ Humphrey in their draft years, or are this years crop just not as good? Its hard to simplify, but I'll give it a crack, for me, the good players, say Ashcroft, Tsitas, don't have enough gamebreaker, and the gamebreakers, say BH, MP, don't have enough good.

2) My hunch is its a poor year, could be covid, could be just a poor year, could be a bit of both. Will be a lot of busts early, and more than usual hits late.

3) playing the percentages, its a good year to have traded out of the draft. Puts a big dollop of passionfruit icing on the Hopranto trade. I'd say it was always a key aspect of the move, but still, nice.

4) There is a fair dose of hivemind in the draft, again don't know if its every year, don't know if its more so this year, don't know if its related to cuts in the soft cap meaning less scouts. Quite a few players hyped on the basis of not much, I don't like to bag young hopefuls, and I won't much, but I wish them well, they are still good players even if they are overhyped, they might be a solid 3rd rounder hyped as a late first for example. But a few examples:

Ginbey, OK in the champs, 4 WAFL seniors games, 3 underwhelming 1 good. Good athlete obviously, but top 10 footy player? All things being equal, late 2nd early 3rd.
Phillipou, Good in the champs, 3 SANFL reserves games, All OK, didn't break any games open, and its reserves. ATBE, 2nd round.
Lachie Cowan, OK Champs, I'd call them solid, HBF. To my knowledge no senior football, all u18s. Not a mid, not a fwd, a Half back flanker. Check out his highlight real, 90 seconds in total, not much time to show your wares, and for a whole years work, 30 seconds are kick-ins. One third, kick-ins. ATBE, 3rd round.

What is the big standout of the 3 above? 188-192cm, as far as I can tell. Ginbey looks quick sometimes, Phillipou can take a mark, Cowan has a long kick, thats it.

Then there are quite a few, a lot actually, who are hyped on the back of a few good WAFL/ SANFL colts or u18s games, might only be half a dozen in some cases. In Victoria, senior football isn't required at all for your CV, NAB league and champs is all that matters, and attendance at an elite private school.

There is no Timmy Watson about this years draft. The man who played his 50th senior game for Essendon on his 18th Birthday. (Thats one of my favourite footy facts). I understand Timmy was a freak and times have changed...but still. Dusty used to dominate for Vic Country, the Pioneers AND Castlemaine seniors. And I don't think he went to Caulfield Grammar.
Nice posting snake. I also worry about who the top players play against. If it’s a weak draft, does that mean cadman is half as good as he looks? Ashcroft?
 
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tigersnake

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Don’t disagree with a lot of that Snake.

I do think Cadman is as good as a key forward prospect that has been in the draft since the Kings. You can build your forward line around him. I’m a fan of blokes who have played small and then have that late growth spurt like Cadman, they keep the small man skills.

I’m enamoured with Phillipou, he’s got everything I like in tall mids. Could end up the best player in the draft. But I do think this crop will produce core footballers but I don’t know about elites. I’ve been consistent with what we’ve done in this draft, I’m ok with it. Keep a couple of late lottery picks to plug gaps. Lemmey & Binns in my sights.
I like cadman a lot, as I said, no 1 for me, and standout no. 1. I love how he shares the ball. I'm a bit mystified as to what direction he'll go in, bit of Lynchy, bit of Cameron, bit of Roachy even.

On Phillipou, you're not alone, and yes of course he could end up the best, but the basis for that statement is thin IMO. Top age, SANFL reserves? IWhen did that become gold standard? Shouldn't he own that level if he's top 10 and possible no 1? Imagine what Watson or Dusty would do in SANFL 2nds at 18 and a half. People are searching for the standouts, apart from Cadman, and Ashcroft but with qualifications, I'm not seeing them.
 
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tigersnake

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Nice posting snake. I also worry about who the top players play against. If it’s a weak draft, does that mean cadman is half as good as he looks? Ashcroft?
Half is a stretch, but I take your point. I dunno. As I've said before, Ashcroft will be a player, a star I'd say, but a vanilla star. More Parish than Petracca. Cadman is the only genuinely compelling player in the crop IMO.
 
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