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Welcome to Tiger land Riley Collier’Dawkins

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A few learned judges still think he's worth a spot on an AFL list.

Would love to know on what traits he has shown?

Kicking No. Pace No. Evasiveness No. Tenacity No. A Step No.

What else is Leysy missing.
Leysy is missing his lack of Football Nous.
We could go on.
Delisting absolutely the right call.
 
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dimmauchamp

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Lol. So adding a few more kilos and suddenly hes touted as an AFL player. Had big wraps for RCD but he just aint got it extra weight or not. Dow in the same boat.
 
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The Big Richo

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Hardwick definitely seems to be the sort of coach who has players he likes and players he doesn't like so much.

Collier-Dawkins seems to be in the latter category to me, wouldn't surprise me to see him make a go of it elsewhere.
 

Smoking Aces

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Hardwick definitely seems to be the sort of coach who has players he likes and players he doesn't like so much.

Collier-Dawkins seems to be in the latter category to me, wouldn't surprise me to see him make a go of it elsewhere.
Don’t all coaches?
 
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mrposhman

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To an extent but I reckon Hardwick more than most, which is probably reflective of his personality and values around loyalty.

There's guys like Castagna he will stick with until it becomes a public humiliation and then other guys are dropped before they run out.

I think for Dimma, he has non-negotiables, and number 1 is don't come back into the rooms after the game with more to give (ie. leave everything out on the field). I feel this is what you are getting at without actually saying it. You call it favourtism, I call it workrate which is what the coach absolutely lives by.

Its why players like Aarts and Castagna have got opportunities over players like RCD and Stack, who just haven't shown the same desire and will to leave everything out there.

Dimma loves players that work hard both ways, as it releases your gun dynamic players to largely forget about defense. Its how he got the best out of Dusty and how he's getting the best out of Shai, because they have players like Prestia, Lambert, Graham to do those hard yards and why players such as Castagna, Parker and Aarts have been preferred over those that perhaps have more skill but far far less application.

Its called standards not favoritism.
 
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spook

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There are two types of coach's favourite: those who can seriously play, and those who will play the way he wants. Stack got four years despite his woes because he's in Group A, and George has played in three flags because he's in Group B. Riley is in neither.
 
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Redford

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There are two types of coach's favourite: those who can seriously play, and those who will play the way he wants. Stack got four years despite his woes because he's in Group A, and George has played in three flags because he's in Group B. Riley is in neither.
Salient post.
 
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Smoking Aces

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To an extent but I reckon Hardwick more than most, which is probably reflective of his personality and values around loyalty.

There's guys like Castagna he will stick with until it becomes a public humiliation and then other guys are dropped before they run out.
Sorry BT but all coaches are wired this way. You mention Castsgna and I will raise you Gary Rohan.
 
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TOT70

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There are two types of coach's favourite: those who can seriously play, and those who will play the way he wants. Stack got four years despite his woes because he's in Group A, and George has played in three flags because he's in Group B. Riley is in neither.
Agree.

Elite talent shines and work rate trumps everything else.
 
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Streak

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To an extent but I reckon Hardwick more than most, which is probably reflective of his personality and values around loyalty.

There's guys like Castagna he will stick with until it becomes a public humiliation and then other guys are dropped before they run out.

I think you are probably right regarding Hardwick and his unswerving loyalty to his favourite players. But I don't see it as a weakness, I think it might even be a strength.

The bottom line will always be that he won three flags with a list that on paper was probably not even top 4 in the league. If he asks his guys to believe in his vision, then he has to believe in them. And I don't think his loyalty to his players has come at that great a cost in terms of developing younger players. Indeed I think his time as coach, since 2017 anyway, has been marked with a small but continuous stream of opportunity for players who want it enough.

Since 2017 we are a champion team, not a team of champions.

For reference, I would encourage people to look at what Jim Valvano did with North Carolina State in 1983. There is a really good doco on it called Survive and Advance. But it really only tells about 70% of the story. You need to read some of the excellent books about what he did that season. It was based around loyalty to what he had and really believing in those guys.

And for mine, I think this North Carolina State's 1983 season has to be the most improbable outcome in the history of sport. Big statement but like I said, if you aren't familiar with the story, check it out.
 
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