If we can't get 23/27 i am keen on doing it on the night, could end up being a handy 2nd rounder next to have next yr.
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2021 Draft Thread
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I have Gibcus ahead of all of them by a margin. Would take him ahead of all of those mentioned comfortably.
I agree here, thing is if we can nail this mids Drat & nail the talls next yr it'll set us up for a decade & we can add some role players around that core for our next gen incl the younger guys we already have coming through. IMO our best side when fit is good enough to contend next yr but it's not the end of the World if they don't. the important thing is getting these next 2 drafts right.
Now you do but in 5 years that order might be reversed. Alleer probably the most likely to overtake, no guarantees but his ceiling is decent & his major flaw is production, something that should rise once in an AFL system. If both Goater & Sonsie are gone I would take Gibcus, then grab some discount mids in the twenties.
I think we might be keen on one of their academy kids so doubt we’ll help them out unless the deal is a very good one for us. It would have to involve a 1st rounder to get our attention
Bully you seem to have really dug your heels in against Gibcus.
On what bases are you suggesting that he’s not better than all the other tall defenders and then suggest he’s not even valued at 15? ( if Goater and Sonsie both gone?? )
Your opinion reeks of a bias against him with no bases of fact and flying in the face of general consensus by all draft watchers that he’s comfortably top 10.
We know you want Johnston but you seem to be trying far too hard to discredit Gibcus. He’ll go in the top 8 picks because he’s the best KPD in the entire pool. And there’s a high likelihood that he’ll be chosen by us if they’re truely working on best available
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You've confused me?? I just said I would take Gibcus if both Goater & Sonsie are gone?
And on the topic of the others, the next All Australian could come from anywhere in the draft. Could be a rookie like McGovern, could be a retread like Alir Alir, could be a number 1 like Weitering. Chook Lotto, that's why I prefer spending picks in the later rounds, unless of course they can play in multiple positions.
And this year my priority is the midfield, Goater & Sonsie project as A grade so I feel it's time to swoop. After that I see a drop off so grabbing the best defender not such a bad move. So he's in the frame & without having finalised my order probably in the top 15.
Agree with you guys , don't forget we went back to back in that era to.
I'm pretty sure their pick 9 would be a first rounder Kongers.
My thoughts were to bag up our 28 - 38 - 40 picks which is slightly over their pick 9 value, perhaps throw in a future cheapie if necessary. They'd get to use pick 28 straight up in the draft n have the other two picks for their academy needs. Meanwhile we'd nicely fatten up our hand in the draft 7 - 9 - 15 - 26 would do me nicely.
If a deal can't be struck n we do indeed happen to like one of their academy kids, well then *smile* happens n St. Kiddenme can suck up on missing out. I'm pretty sure they've had plenty of practice at that over the years.
If the shoe was on the other foot, would you want us to turf our our first pick (9) for a couple of midrange players?
Nope.
I know some of these boys. They played against/with my son.
Bellas is a good inside mid
Liua Polata is islander kicking not great
Moala Polata younger brother is better but kicking still suspect.
Noah Handy - good footballer
Nyawi Moore - my son played on him in an AFL U/16 match and kept him to 0 goals and around 4 possessions he is not super fast. is very skillful has some talent.
The best player in this zone was Seamus Mitchell who got drafted by Hawthorn in the 20's last year. none of those boys are as good as Seamus. My son went ok but gave footy away. I have video footage of some of the boys in juniors Grand Finals if you want to look at Polata Bellas etc. Redford just let me know.
AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
Earning best on ground honours for Western Australia in their 10-point win against South Australia in this year's final clash between the two sides, Angus Sheldrick is the prospect who has scouts talking.Over the past two months, Sheldrick has built one of the most impressive resumes, also winning the head-to-head midfield matchup against pick one favourite Jason Horne-Francis in the first Under-19 Championships clash between WA and SA.
Horne-Francis was unable to impact the game through the midfield and was relegated to playing in the front half, in what was a surprise disruption to an otherwise near-flawless close to 2021.
In the WAFL Colts Grand Final, Sheldrick battled on manfully and was the dominant force through the middle, amassing 27 touches despite copping a bad corky in the second quarter and an unsportsmanlike knee to the ribs while down on all fours in the third quarter.
Given Sheldrick's recent eye-catching performances, his best on ground display at the weekend's final Under-19 Championships clash should surprise no one; he's a competitor who shows up every week and does what is asked of him.
In each of the Championships games, WA was clearly a level above through the midfield and the contribution of Sheldrick played a large part. An impressive stoppage midfielder, the 17-year-old is a strong-bodied stoppage specialist with a height and build akin to Lachie Neale.
At 179cm and 88kg, Sheldrick is strong over the ball and routinely wins first possession, works hard around the ground to receive loose ball gets, possesses an explosive burst of speed, shrugs tackles and tackles with intent, plays a strong two-way game and hits the scoreboard.
Impressively, during the WAFL Colts finals series, Sheldrick kicked six goals from three games, while kicking another two goals in his final match against SA, including the sealer.
Where Sheldrick will need to put work into his game is his kicking and decision making. He is effective feeding outside runners by hand but at this stage lacks polish and precision by foot. Whether he is under pressure or has time with ball in hand, at times he will attempt ill-advised kicks that lack situational awareness.
Gaining fans in recent months, Sheldrick is viewed as a likely mid-draft choice and would be a strong value selection for a club looking to give their midfield an immediate boost of competitiveness
AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
A Western Australian stoppage specialist dominated in the AFL Under-19 Championships and has put together an impressive draft resume, writes ESPN Draft expert Chris Doerre.
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AFL Draft revisited: Every club’s draft picks and recruiting rated from 2016-2020
Just one of the Blues’ seven first-rounders from the past five drafts has become a proven regular. Has their recruiting been a failure? Every club rated, plus have your say.
RICHMOND
2016: Shai Bolton (29), Jack Graham (53), Ryan Garthwaite (72), Tyson Stengle (rookie)2017: Jack Higgins (17), Callum Coleman-Jones (20), Noah Balta (25), Patrick Naish (34 father-son), Ben Miller (63), Liam Baker (rookie), Derek Eggmolesse-Smith (Cat B rookie)
2018: Riley Collier-Dawkins (20), Jack Ross (43), Fraser Turner (58), Luke English (62), Jake Aarts (rookie), Jacob Townsend (rookie), Mabior Chol (rookie), Sydney Stack (SSP), Mav Weller (SSP)
2019: Thomson Dow (21), Noah Cumberland (43), Will Martyn (44), Hugo Ralphsmith (46), Bigoa Nyuon (54), Marlion Pickett (mid-season)
2020: Samson Ryan (40), Maurice Rioli Jr (51 father-son), Mate Colina (Cat B rookie), Rhyan Mansell (SSP), Derek Eggmolesse-Smith (SSP), Matthew Parker (mid-season daft)
The Tigers haven’t had a pick inside 20 in this time and have done well to unearth premiership gems like Bolton, Graham and Baker, who was an inspired rookie selection, plus mid-season draft poster boy Marlion Pickett. Richmond’s first two selections in 2017 will both be at other clubs next season, which isn’t ideal, and the jury is still out on the classes of 2018-19. Riley Collier-Dawkins, Jack Ross, Thomson Dow and Hugo Ralphsmith have all shown promising signs but need to take the next step to show they can take the baton from Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Co.
Rating: B
This is the type of latish pick up that could pay off, wouldn't call him a slider but I suspect some recruiters will be put off by his frame. Would love to know his sprint time, a good one will allay a few of the Mitch Grigg fears. Think from memory Grigg was as slow as treacle, 3.25sec or something thereabouts. If you are wanting something approaching Dane Swan then the sprint time would need to get under the 3 second mark. If he's an accumulator then a 15 tank will be required. But I like big game players and he looks big game to me.AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
Earning best on ground honours for Western Australia in their 10-point win against South Australia in this year's final clash between the two sides, Angus Sheldrick is the prospect who has scouts talking.
Over the past two months, Sheldrick has built one of the most impressive resumes, also winning the head-to-head midfield matchup against pick one favourite Jason Horne-Francis in the first Under-19 Championships clash between WA and SA.
Horne-Francis was unable to impact the game through the midfield and was relegated to playing in the front half, in what was a surprise disruption to an otherwise near-flawless close to 2021.
In the WAFL Colts Grand Final, Sheldrick battled on manfully and was the dominant force through the middle, amassing 27 touches despite copping a bad corky in the second quarter and an unsportsmanlike knee to the ribs while down on all fours in the third quarter.
Given Sheldrick's recent eye-catching performances, his best on ground display at the weekend's final Under-19 Championships clash should surprise no one; he's a competitor who shows up every week and does what is asked of him.
In each of the Championships games, WA was clearly a level above through the midfield and the contribution of Sheldrick played a large part. An impressive stoppage midfielder, the 17-year-old is a strong-bodied stoppage specialist with a height and build akin to Lachie Neale.
At 179cm and 88kg, Sheldrick is strong over the ball and routinely wins first possession, works hard around the ground to receive loose ball gets, possesses an explosive burst of speed, shrugs tackles and tackles with intent, plays a strong two-way game and hits the scoreboard.
Impressively, during the WAFL Colts finals series, Sheldrick kicked six goals from three games, while kicking another two goals in his final match against SA, including the sealer.
Where Sheldrick will need to put work into his game is his kicking and decision making. He is effective feeding outside runners by hand but at this stage lacks polish and precision by foot. Whether he is under pressure or has time with ball in hand, at times he will attempt ill-advised kicks that lack situational awareness.
Gaining fans in recent months, Sheldrick is viewed as a likely mid-draft choice and would be a strong value selection for a club looking to give their midfield an immediate boost of competitiveness
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AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
A Western Australian stoppage specialist dominated in the AFL Under-19 Championships and has put together an impressive draft resume, writes ESPN Draft expert Chris Doerre.www.espn.com.au
He's my man, a genuine inside mid. I'd be over the moon if we can get Hobbs and Sheldrick.AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
Earning best on ground honours for Western Australia in their 10-point win against South Australia in this year's final clash between the two sides, Angus Sheldrick is the prospect who has scouts talking.
Over the past two months, Sheldrick has built one of the most impressive resumes, also winning the head-to-head midfield matchup against pick one favourite Jason Horne-Francis in the first Under-19 Championships clash between WA and SA.
Horne-Francis was unable to impact the game through the midfield and was relegated to playing in the front half, in what was a surprise disruption to an otherwise near-flawless close to 2021.
In the WAFL Colts Grand Final, Sheldrick battled on manfully and was the dominant force through the middle, amassing 27 touches despite copping a bad corky in the second quarter and an unsportsmanlike knee to the ribs while down on all fours in the third quarter.
Given Sheldrick's recent eye-catching performances, his best on ground display at the weekend's final Under-19 Championships clash should surprise no one; he's a competitor who shows up every week and does what is asked of him.
In each of the Championships games, WA was clearly a level above through the midfield and the contribution of Sheldrick played a large part. An impressive stoppage midfielder, the 17-year-old is a strong-bodied stoppage specialist with a height and build akin to Lachie Neale.
At 179cm and 88kg, Sheldrick is strong over the ball and routinely wins first possession, works hard around the ground to receive loose ball gets, possesses an explosive burst of speed, shrugs tackles and tackles with intent, plays a strong two-way game and hits the scoreboard.
Impressively, during the WAFL Colts finals series, Sheldrick kicked six goals from three games, while kicking another two goals in his final match against SA, including the sealer.
Where Sheldrick will need to put work into his game is his kicking and decision making. He is effective feeding outside runners by hand but at this stage lacks polish and precision by foot. Whether he is under pressure or has time with ball in hand, at times he will attempt ill-advised kicks that lack situational awareness.
Gaining fans in recent months, Sheldrick is viewed as a likely mid-draft choice and would be a strong value selection for a club looking to give their midfield an immediate boost of competitiveness
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AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
A Western Australian stoppage specialist dominated in the AFL Under-19 Championships and has put together an impressive draft resume, writes ESPN Draft expert Chris Doerre.www.espn.com.au
Spot on Bully! A mid-range pick and as we all know this draft is stacked with mids.
This is what you want from an inside mid> At 179cm and 88kg, Sheldrick is strong over the ball and routinely wins first possession, works hard around the ground to receive loose ball gets, possesses an explosive burst of speed, shrugs tackles and tackles with intent, plays a strong two-way game and hits the scoreboard.
I posted a couple of days ago that I thought Sheldrick will go earlier than some think, he's a beauty. We could do a lot worse than picking up his rep teammate Dittmar too.AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
Earning best on ground honours for Western Australia in their 10-point win against South Australia in this year's final clash between the two sides, Angus Sheldrick is the prospect who has scouts talking.
Over the past two months, Sheldrick has built one of the most impressive resumes, also winning the head-to-head midfield matchup against pick one favourite Jason Horne-Francis in the first Under-19 Championships clash between WA and SA.
Horne-Francis was unable to impact the game through the midfield and was relegated to playing in the front half, in what was a surprise disruption to an otherwise near-flawless close to 2021.
In the WAFL Colts Grand Final, Sheldrick battled on manfully and was the dominant force through the middle, amassing 27 touches despite copping a bad corky in the second quarter and an unsportsmanlike knee to the ribs while down on all fours in the third quarter.
Given Sheldrick's recent eye-catching performances, his best on ground display at the weekend's final Under-19 Championships clash should surprise no one; he's a competitor who shows up every week and does what is asked of him.
In each of the Championships games, WA was clearly a level above through the midfield and the contribution of Sheldrick played a large part. An impressive stoppage midfielder, the 17-year-old is a strong-bodied stoppage specialist with a height and build akin to Lachie Neale.
At 179cm and 88kg, Sheldrick is strong over the ball and routinely wins first possession, works hard around the ground to receive loose ball gets, possesses an explosive burst of speed, shrugs tackles and tackles with intent, plays a strong two-way game and hits the scoreboard.
Impressively, during the WAFL Colts finals series, Sheldrick kicked six goals from three games, while kicking another two goals in his final match against SA, including the sealer.
Where Sheldrick will need to put work into his game is his kicking and decision making. He is effective feeding outside runners by hand but at this stage lacks polish and precision by foot. Whether he is under pressure or has time with ball in hand, at times he will attempt ill-advised kicks that lack situational awareness.
Gaining fans in recent months, Sheldrick is viewed as a likely mid-draft choice and would be a strong value selection for a club looking to give their midfield an immediate boost of competitiveness
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AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: stoppage specialist Sheldrick a WA bolter
A Western Australian stoppage specialist dominated in the AFL Under-19 Championships and has put together an impressive draft resume, writes ESPN Draft expert Chris Doerre.www.espn.com.au
Obviously it all depends on what you've already got, what you want and how much you're willing to spend on what you think you might need for now and in the future.
Pick 9 becomes pick 11 because of the Daicos, Darcy situation so ten of the best youngsters, perhaps the one they're also hoping to get are already off the table.
Do they stick with pick 9 n take one kid they really aren't sure they wanted n then scramble around trying to fudge up enough points to get the academy kids they do want and have put development time into before anyone else gazumps them?
Or do they trade out of pick 9 to guarantee them their two academy kids plus have a free pot shot at an extra mid second round talent in a draft that is supposedly very even for talent all the way into the thirties?
If you don't first ask the question, you're pretty much guaranteed you'll never get an answer. Even if you're pretty certain you won't like the answer, there's never any harm in asking.
