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Pretty sure he's still contracted isn't he? There is no way Scumton will resist the temptation of the messiah complex again; they will go hard after Clarkson.
And if Teague is contracted that will severely hamper the management of the soft cap.
Easy fixed - they pay Clarkson $5 for coaching next year and Hawthorn are responsible for the rest of his income.
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I said that was a possibility on the Clarko thread.
If you think about it, the Beyond Blues along with all other clubs will be thinking that the soft cap will increase back to normal maybe, in 3-5 years time. Therefore, when you've got a situation like they have, they ask Clarko to back end his deal while they pay out Teague. Clarko doesn't care coz he's getting the difference paid by Hawthorn. That helps the Beyond Blues not having to pay two senior coaching salaries next year and utilising the soft cap to its best degree in 2022. They amortise Clarko out over the next 3 to 5 years or whatever.
It then leaves Hawthorn with two senior coaching salaries to pay in 2022 and severely impacting their offield personnel and support structure for a first year coach. They could of course, ask Mitchell to back end his contract as well, however. But Hawthorn won't have the flexibility that the Beyond Blues will have i.e. up to $1m+. Hawthorn might have $200k to $300k at best. So still a significant impact on their soft cap for 2022 with a first year coach.
Don't have a great record with "Super" coaches.
Malthouse, Pagen.
It's where coaches go to die or cash in before retirement.
If the rumors are true, and they probably are, Chris Judd deserve an apology from a few so-called journos and assorted footy commentators. Called our Teague’s inexperience while he was only a caretaker and copped a huge backlash for his trouble.
Could bring in the best coach in the land and it still wouldn't matter right now.
The culture of the place is that far stuffed and it's not something fixed overnight.
It can't be changed by one or a handful, it has to be a total buy-in from everybody driving and adhering to standards and keeping each-other accountable. The club hasn't had that for many, many years.
The closest it's been after 2001 I'd say was during the Judd era, where fragments of the group bought in to how he would prepare and apply himself. But then there were also tales flying around at the time of how young players putting in extra gym work would be laughed at by more senior player(s) passing by. If that's true, then how must that have affected those players' careers? And the flow-on effect from that, where their careers feed into the next era?
This is a Carlton group made up of far too many conditional footballers, and one of the problems now is the only players I see really hurting after a loss are Weitering, Walsh and Silvagni. Those three can't change the culture by themselves.
The culture of the place is that far stuffed and it's not something fixed overnight.
It can't be changed by one or a handful, it has to be a total buy-in from everybody driving and adhering to standards and keeping each-other accountable. The club hasn't had that for many, many years.
The closest it's been after 2001 I'd say was during the Judd era, where fragments of the group bought in to how he would prepare and apply himself. But then there were also tales flying around at the time of how young players putting in extra gym work would be laughed at by more senior player(s) passing by. If that's true, then how must that have affected those players' careers? And the flow-on effect from that, where their careers feed into the next era?
This is a Carlton group made up of far too many conditional footballers, and one of the problems now is the only players I see really hurting after a loss are Weitering, Walsh and Silvagni. Those three can't change the culture by themselves.
This would be brilliant. Sign Clarko up for 3-5 years, massively back end the deal. When things haven’t improved or have turned to *smile* after 2 years, the behind the scenes power brokers will get him sacked, as they seemed to have been doing for the past 20 years or so, they will have to pay him out and they will be hamstrung with their soft cap with the new coach
Judd has been a bit abrasive when in the media but he calls it how he sees it and he not a dumb campaigner.
Well said BB Carlton are what the Tigers were every time we thought we were moving on up but its was falsehood.
The Tigers got it right by being brutally honest with each other from the very top down and then embracing each other and the club as a whole.
The ethos changed in one pre season and the Laughing Stock of 37 yrs won a flag and went on to win 3 from 3 in 4 years.
Carlton has a number of players to build with but as you say the mercenarioes are the issue, its hard to get those guys to rebuild or buy in to a culture if they haven't done so from their first day in.
It was the nobodies that lifted the RFC just as much as the stars.
Curnow, McKay and McGovern are a good front 3 to hit up if fit and focused. The question is can they get them there?
Jones, Marchbank and Weitering are as solid as you need down back, and Williams is a good player but needs to be at HB.
Jack Martin needs to lift also.
Carlton needs to hit its midfield hard with genuine class and another ruck then they will start making a move.
Cripps has been a giant for the Blues and Walsh is a gun but there has been no support with Murphy at the end.
Willams and Saad together was not good business.
They should've gone after a genuine midfielder.
They should also have taken Brandon Ellis as a hard running Wingman and Butler when they had the chance, as they both would've given the Blues genuine run and some forward line pace which they do lack.
Good stuff anyway BB always welcome here.
Pacifically, and for all intensive purposes , I have the upmost respect for Tom Browne…..
Took us long enough to fix culture.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Carlton to in another flag until we are at least a couple ahead, but as a Carlton supporter you would want to hope that the powers that be see what you are seeing.
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I used to work for a privately owned company. Two blokes owned it pretty sure one had 51% the other 49%.
The senior partner could not for the life of him say the word “specific”. It always came out “pacific”. *smile* idiot. Geez he was a d!ckhead that bloke.
