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Midsy

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Ridiculous. There’s a fair difference in timing between the first and second doses for the two vaccines, so not hard to work out which one you get.
All the doc has to tell you is when you should book in for your second shot - I think it’s 28 days for Pfizer, and 12 weeks for AstraZeneca
I had Pfizer and my 2nd jab is in 12 weeks time (11 now).
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Medical practitioners are legally required to inform patients accurately of therapies.
Not any possibility this claim is correct.
And...the lunatic tweeter can't bring herself to spell vaccine correctly because it likely will give rise to life long PTSD.
Apologies to returned veterans.
It seems to be a ban on advertising rather than an attempt to keep recipients in the dark. Source below.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...r/news-story/8bcf3dea974537050600d7f87eb8e13c
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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larabee

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I had Pfizer and my 2nd jab is in 12 weeks time (11 now).
Looks like my bad, I had read 28 days I thought.

edit: at least 21 days according to health.gov.au:

 

Midsy

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Remember I’m in the UK, so it’s a little bit different here. Efficacy after one jab was shown to be effective enough to push out the second jab to 12 weeks, therefore getting more people to at least have their first jab.
 
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22nd Man

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ABC news app has a vaccine tracker. Highlight is that ACT is on -2 ...yes negative 2. Maybe to offset the couple that got the extra dose in QLd.
Vic only 100 . liberals slowing supply to make dan look bad? Or are all the vaccine teams under direct control of Federal health with state health sidelined?
 

DavidSSS

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Quietest this thread has been since the Pandemic started. Great signs.

Pretty quiet on the new infections front and I think I saw there were 7 active cases at the moment in Victoria.

When you ain't got nothing else, quarantine still works and we effectively quarantined in our own homes. With no cure and no vaccine we pretty much exterminated the virus in our population, it only came in from outside. Something to remember if we ever hit another pandemic and they can't sort out a vaccine for an extended period of time.

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Sintiger

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Not sure how others feel about it but I actually agree with the decision by Italy to block the shipment of vaccine to us. 300 people a day are dying in Italy and we will be producing the vaccine within a month. They definitely need it more than we do.
 
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AngryAnt

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Not sure how others feel about it but I actually agree with the decision by Italy to block the shipment of vaccine to us. 300 people a day are dying in Italy and we will be producing the vaccine within a month. They definitely need it more than we do.

yeah, apart from the rudeness of breaking a deal, it seems fair enough. We are in a good space.
 
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MD Jazz

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Not sure how others feel about it but I actually agree with the decision by Italy to block the shipment of vaccine to us. 300 people a day are dying in Italy and we will be producing the vaccine within a month. They definitely need it more than we do.

yep. I’ve been disappointed at the criticism at our vaccine rollout. We should be the last country getting mass vaccinated given our enviable position.
 
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Sintiger

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yep. I’ve been disappointed at the criticism at our vaccine rollout. We should be the last country getting mass vaccinated given our enviable position.
I won’t say too much MDJ but I do have some knowledge of it.
IMO we are rolling out too fast without being totally ready and the only reason we have done it is because of a political p1ssing match between the feds and the states.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Deaths of Australians in aged care after COVID jabs kept secret

A small number of aged care residents died in the days after they received their COVID-19 vaccination but the deaths were not included in the government’s first official adverse event report.

The government is denying the secrecy surrounding the deaths is a cover up.

There is no evidence the Pfizer vaccine caused the deaths and it is important to note that around 1000 residential aged care residents every week die under normal circumstances.

Australia’s Chief Medical Officer Professor Paul Kelly first revealed the deaths to health industry newsletter BioPharmaDispatch.

Professor Kelly later told News Corp a “handful” of aged care residents had died 24-72 hours after their received the vaccination in the first week of the rollout.

These deaths had been investigated by state and territory authorities, the vaccination provider and the Therapeutic Goods Administration, he said.

In addition Professor Kelly said he had personally examined the initial reports of the deaths.

“Each of them have another explanation, other than vaccine and none of them have had any sign of any adverse events, following the vaccine up until the time that they’ve been found to have passed away,” he told News Corp.

Many of those who died were suffering very long and complex illnesses and they were well before and after the vaccine but a day or two later were found after suffering a cardiac arrest in their bed, he said.

One person had developed a urinary tract infection and sepsis and it was in hospital “so they had a very clear alternative explanation,” he told News Corp.

The coroner is also able to investigate if it was thought the vaccine had played a role in the deaths, Professor Kelly said.

The nation’s top doctor denied there was any attempt at a cover up in the decision to exclude the deaths from the first adverse event reporting on the vaccine.

“I did actually question that myself when the first report came out,” Professor Kelly told News Corp.

“Of course it’s not a cover up,” he told News Corp.

“If there was any, any sniff, any suggestion that this was an event that was actually associated with a vaccine, or could possibly be associated with a vaccine in that initial investigation, then I would take it very seriously,” he said.

The reason the deaths had not been included in the adverse event reporting was that there was no evidence the vaccine caused the deaths, he said.

Professor Kelly said he will consider whether to include such deaths in future reporting along with an explanation about why they had been ruled not to be caused by the vaccine.

Health Minister Greg Hunt said the information had not been provided because the government did not want to create a false scare about the vaccine.

“If you had 10 per cent of your age care population (just to make it easy) vaccinated in one week and you’ve got 1000 people to pass away, 10 per cent of that 1000 would have been vaccinated,” he said.

The states and territories reviewed every event, he said.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration which is monitoring the vaccine safety issued its first weekly adverse report event on the COVID-19 vaccine last week.

It reveals there were 79 adverse events related to the vaccine in the first week of the rollout.

In the first week more than 33,700 doses of the vaccines were given to frontline health workers, quarantine staff and aged care residents.

This amounted to just 2.3 adverse events per 1000 doses administered.

Two younger health workers have so far been treated for anaphylactic reactions to the vaccine one on the Gold Coast and another in Darwin.

The most common reactions reported in the first week were: feeling faint, dizziness, headache, nausea, sweating.

A small number of elderly people in Norway died after receiving the vaccine earlier this year but these deaths too were found not to be caused by the jab.

Mr Hunt, who received a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine yesterday, said he was feeling a “little tired” after his jab but this was not necessarily due to the vaccine.

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this is a bad look for the government. Transparency is important to win over the hesitant.

My mum is eligible for the Phase 1b jab and I've encouraged her to get it but she's declining at this stage. This won't help.
 

DavidSSS

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You may not be a conspiracy theorist but I reckon the author of that article and the sub editor who wrote the headline might be.

Or maybe they're just after a bit of click bait.

DS
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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You may not be a conspiracy theorist but I reckon the author of that article and the sub editor who wrote the headline might be.

Or maybe they're just after a bit of click bait.
Yes it is written in an accusatory tone suggesting a cover-up, but it's important to look at the substance of the article without being led by the writer. All details should be included in reporting in case there is a problem. We're lucky to live in an advanced country where there is expert oversight of these things.
 

AngryAnt

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Agree, the more transparency the better even if idiots and conspiracy theorists try to exploit it.
 
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Sintiger

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Yes it is written in an accusatory tone suggesting a cover-up, but it's important to look at the substance of the article without being led by the writer. All details should be included in reporting in case there is a problem. We're lucky to live in an advanced country where there is expert oversight of these things.
As an aside many public hospitals are being funded to run services and clinics for adverse reactions to the vaccinations.
There is also a requirement throughout the whole health system (including GPS and aged care) to report any adverse reactions.
 
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DavidSSS

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The likelihood is that the vaccines have vanishingly low incidence of side effects. But, when you vaccinate millions that means there will be some people who get side effects.

Clearly this should be monitored, as I'm sure it will be.

What we don't need is the click bait sensationalism above which relies on jumping to conclusions. If there is any question about any of the deaths then the coroner will get involved but that takes time. The media have no patience so don't expect any follow up.

DS
 
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