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DavidSSS

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Yep, and some countries are getting the vaccination done:

Nearly 76 per cent of adults in the UK have had at least one shot of vaccines by AstraZeneca, Pfizer or Moderna, and 52 per cent two doses.

Despite what ScoMo claims:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Monday pointed to Britain’s rising cases to argue mass vaccination will not automatically end the crisis.

“Every day in the UK at the moment, there are 4393 cases,” he told reporters. “That is in a country that has a 75.8 per cent vaccination on first dose.”.

The vaccine is having a big impact on the hospitalisation rates of those who do get COVID:

However the data released by Hancock shows the vast majority of new cases do not require hospitalisation and those who are in hosptial may have avoided admission had they been double-vaccinated sooner.

The three fully vaccinated people hospitalised with the Delta variant represent 0.02 per cent of cases, and 2.38 per cent of those admitted for treatment.

“Despite the rise in cases, hospitalisations have been broadly flat,” Hancock said. “The majority of people in hospital with COVID appear to be those who haven’t had the vaccine at all.

This is the point, if the vaccine means you can catch COVID and not end up in hospital with a life-threatening illness then it is working.

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The USA and UK are already moving onto plans for their second and third stages of vaccination i.e. year on year application.

Meanwhile, Australia lags at just 1.50% fully vaccinated .....for first stage.
 

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i didn't catch all of today’s presser, but apparently the government hinted today that lockdown will end on Thursday night. the ABC and Herald Scum are running with it.
 

mrposhman

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This is the point, if the vaccine means you can catch COVID and not end up in hospital with a life-threatening illness then it is working.

DS

Correct, its worrying what Scomo stated in what you posted. Suggests he has no idea what a post covid life will look like, thats hugely worrying in itself.
 
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larabee

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i didn't catch all of today’s presser, but apparently the government hinted today that lockdown will end on Thursday night. the ABC and Herald Scum are running with it.
They went with "we remain on track for easing of restrictions". have to wait and see what they are I suppose
 

AngryAnt

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Preliminary analysis by Public Health England recently suggested there might be a 17 per cent reduction in the effectiveness of AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccine against symptomatic disease caused by the Delta variant compared to the British (variant known as Alpha), but only a modest reduction in effectiveness after two doses.

More bad news for "vaccination is a low priority" and "vaccination won't help with Delta" crew.
 
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AngryAnt

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Correct, its worrying what Scomo stated in what you posted. Suggests he has no idea what a post covid life will look like, thats hugely worrying in itself.

He only thinks about what will make him look good less bad for the here and now.

It's disgraceful that he thinks it's ok to peddle this kind of disinformation.
 

MD Jazz

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More bad news for "vaccination is a low priority" crew
Yeh, the pros outweigh the cons by a bazillion, so what is the real issue?

Unless the anti-vaxers believe in some sort of massive medical conspiracy involving doctors, scientists, both sides of politics...
 
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AngryAnt

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i didn't catch all of today’s presser, but apparently the government hinted today that lockdown will end on Thursday night. the ABC and Herald Scum are running with it.

I think we have daily cases in the single figures linked to known origins, we'll start to open up Thursday night. Single figures are no problem.
 
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Brodders17

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Correct, its worrying what Scomo stated in what you posted. Suggests he has no idea what a post covid life will look like, thats hugely worrying in itself.
Of course he has a plan- more photos hammering walls that dont have nail, and more photos in fast flying jets. thats all voters want isnt it?
 

mrposhman

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Of course he has a plan- more photos hammering walls that dont have nail, and more photos in fast flying jets. thats all voters want isnt it?

Sounds like he's taking tips from Putin. Will we see him with a shirt off riding a horse (shudders)
 
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eZyT

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That analogy would only hold if growing gills was a choice.

I think if you took all the people in Australia who I'd trust to self-regulate as if my life depended on it,

and lay them end to end,

the line would stretch from Earth, about 18 feet towards Jupiter.
 

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Yeh, the pros outweigh the cons by a bazillion, so what is the real issue?

Unless the anti-vaxers believe in some sort of massive medical conspiracy involving doctors, scientists, both sides of politics...
I will cop some flak for this but nevertheless ... take this for what it is ...

A colleague of mine in the USA told me that there are now some anti-vaxers in America who have never worn a mask that are now doing so because they are afraid of catching "something" from people who have been vaccinated.

I'm thinking that has to be true because .... you couldn't make that up.
 
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AngryAnt

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Hahaha.. that's great.

It's all "muh freedoms" and no masks until they realise masks can protect them from Bill Gates 5G viruses and/or vaccination genocides and social control
 

DavidSSS

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That analogy would only hold if growing gills was a choice.

Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I think sending people home for two weeks would work well.

The cost of hotel quarantine would cover a pretty flash transport and support program to assist with it and there'd be plenty of resources left over for compliance.

Gets rid of all the staff to community and person to person in quarantine transmission which is what is causing all the outbreaks.

I tend to agree that home quarantine would be the way to go. Not only is it a lot cheaper, but people are in a familiar place, can hopefully go outside for some fresh air and, even better, they are not all concentrated together in the same place.

My partner's sister and her kids came over to Melbourne from Perth last year, and when they went back to Perth, they had home quarantine which meant sending photos of them at home a couple of times a day and also random visits by the cops to make sure they were there.

The issue has always been the small number of complete morons who would try and break quarantine and you do hear stories of people bragging about getting out of Melbourne to their holiday houses or the like when we had the long lockdown last year. I think there are solutions to this, you could require that GPS be turned on and tracked on their phones and ring them every now and again, random house checks etc. For those found breaking quarantine they get to have security tracking their movements at their expense. The thing is that 90% or more would comply, it is the small minority of morons who can cause so much damage. If you can solve this problem then home quarantine is the way to go - it's not like you can't get everything you need delivered these days, you certainly can stay home for a couple of weeks and not leave the premises at all.

Of course if we fostered a less rampantly individualist culture and had more emphasis on the common good we would have less morons trying to break home quarantine or bragging about avoiding public health measures.

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AngryAnt

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Of course if we fostered a less rampantly individualist culture and had more emphasis on the common good
Sounds dangerously socialist david

Hotel quarantine is something like 99.1% effective I read somewhere, I doubt home quarantine would be even that effective. It would work if people weren't jerks, but they are. And we'd have bigger problems again.
 
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DavidSSS

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Sounds dangerously socialist david

Hotel quarantine is something like 99.1% effective I read somewhere, I doubt home quarantine would be even that effective. It would work if people weren't jerks, but they are. And we'd have bigger problems again.

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Anarchist actually.

Yes, hotel quarantine has been effective, but we have seen recently that COVID can spread in hotel quarantine and that is because you have people who have the virus, and those who do not have the virus, mixed in together. Home quarantine would be better, but it would need a fair bit of enforcement because we have that small proportion of people who are jerks.

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