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tigerlove

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What will the unemployment rate be next month? 30-40%?

Don't think so. Retail trade accounts for approximately 10% of the workforce. A certain percentage of those will remain employed. I believe the estimates are for possibly an unemployment rate over 15% (from 5.2% before this crisis began). That's still large numbers.

https://australianjobs.employment.gov.au/jobs-industry/industry-overview
 
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MD Jazz

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30 minute time frame for hairdressers now lifted apparently.
This site really needs a face palm emoticon.
Sadly Victoria announced it's first two deaths this morning.
The consistent bagging of scomo needs to be balanced. Reality is VIC has dodged a bullet with the womens T20 world cup final being held. That was a terrible decision in hindsight, as was the grand prix fiasco. I keep hearing how Dan is the man but they were 2 massive blunders that could have had devastating consequences. Much worse than anything done by scomo. The grand prix decision was forced by Hamilton & the teams, there was no leadership from Dan. And thousands stood around in groups on the morning of the race with it still a complete unknown.
 
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MD Jazz

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There would obviously need to be verification checks, it can't just be a system that believes what they are told. In NZ you have to sign a declaration to state that you will lose 30%. Now this is in its infancy but I would expect the government to get us to prove the decline after the fact. You also have to prove names to the government so it will be easy to find out who has not retained the employment of those employees.

Its not a total trust exercise you know.
And giving lump sum payments for future obligations direct to businesses that are facing financial hardship - what could go wrong? Your essentially backing a whole heap of individuals to manage through a financial crisis.

And then the cost of the administration and follow up for those exploiting the system. Its open to huge exploitation, people with sign anything and fabricate numbers when desperate. They do it when things aren't desperate.

I am keen to see which approach yields the best result - NZ or Aust - in both the lock down and stimulus.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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The death rate is only low because hospitals are still functioning.

Once hospitals stop functioning in 8-9 days, people in their 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s will die at a much higher rate.
The death rate in Italy is above 10%. They've slowed the spread to 8% daily increase (~5,000 infections) the past three days, but they're still some way off the crest of the hill. Obviously we need to take all possible measures to head it off before we get to that stage.

Sad to say it looks inevitable that the US is headed the same way as Italy.
 
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artball

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Got some info today from a doctor who has an anaesthetist staying with him who was assigned to cruise ship patients. CV19 is most contagious for 12-14 days but you may not show symptoms. After that period you may get sick - this period is approx 30 days. Advice - Vitamins D, C, Zinc. Wash hands, drink warm fluids, including boiled warm water. Don’t go out. So that’s 6 weeks, but you have to hope others are being as diligent.. he thinks the idea of lockdown really is the key..
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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The consistent bagging of scomo needs to be balanced. Reality is VIC has dodged a bullet with the womens T20 world cup final being held. That was a terrible decision in hindsight, as was the grand prix fiasco. I keep hearing how Dan is the man but they were 2 massive blunders that could have had devastating consequences. Much worse than anything done by scomo. The grand prix decision was forced by Hamilton & the teams, there was no leadership from Dan. And thousands stood around in groups on the morning of the race with it still a complete unknown.
Yep. Time to put down your political team colours.
 
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Tigers of Old

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The consistent bagging of scomo needs to be balanced. Reality is VIC has dodged a bullet with the womens T20 world cup final being held. That was a terrible decision in hindsight, as was the grand prix fiasco. I keep hearing how Dan is the man but they were 2 massive blunders that could have had devastating consequences. Much worse than anything done by scomo. The grand prix decision was forced by Hamilton & the teams, there was no leadership from Dan. And thousands stood around in groups on the morning of the race with it still a complete unknown.

Wot?

The T20 world Cup Final was held on Sat 8/3.

The following Friday (13/8) was the date the Grand Prix was due to start which was cancelled that morning.
I agree that was a debacle at the gates but at least common sense prevailed & the event didn't go ahead in spite of the confusion around it.

Later that day though Scotty from marketing was telling everyone that he was going to shut down all non-essential gatherings of more than 500 people.. BUT it was to be suspended until Monday because first he had to go to the footy! & have his mate's Hillsong Conference finish!


It's one thing to blame a Premier but when the PM isn't showing the way as leader of the country it's a bit rich to go blaming the States.
 
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caesar

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What gets me is the attitude of people instead of acting on announced measures straight away they race to infect or get infected before restrictions kick in:

Such as when it was announced that pubs and Gyms to close in 24 hours time, what did some idiots do stop going immediately? no, instead many went to nightclubs, pubs, and gyms for one last hurrah:rolleyes:

As for hairdressing, should be closed, not a necessity and makes a mockery of social distancing, (at least that's my opinion as a bald man:)))
 
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MD Jazz

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Wot?

The T20 world Cup Final was held on Sat 8/3.

The following Friday (13/8) was the date the Grand Prix was due to start which was cancelled that morning.
I agree that was a debacle at the gates but at least common sense prevailed & the event didn't go ahead in spite of the confusion around it.

Later that day though Scotty from marketing was telling everyone that he was going to shut down all non-essential gatherings of more than 500 people.. BUT it was to be suspended until Monday because first he had to go to the footy! & have his mate's Hillsong Conference finish!


It's one thing to blame a Premier but when the PM isn't showing the way as leader of the country it's a bit rich to go blaming the States.
There is blame on the federal govt for not closing borders earlier, for not cancelling flights from China earlier.

On the 8th March the spread of the virus was well known. That event should not have gone ahead. The spread in Bergamo Italy is being traced to a champions league match on Feb 19! That one event has caused huge numbers of cases and deaths. And that involved less people than attended the MCG. Dan dodged a massive bullet. The Grand prix was going ahead until Lewis Hamilton & the teams intervened, nothing to do with common sense from Dan. There was zero leadership.

All i'm trying to point out is massive mistakes have been made on by both sides, its an unprecedented challenge and I'd love to see the scotty bashing reduced. We all know what is required, we don't need the govt telling us not to spend a few hours in a hair salon.
 
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jb03

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No doubt Dan blundered with the GP but i can cut him slack on the T20 final. Interesting listening about the GP on Hutchy's podcast where it was intimated that the government faced big financial penalties from whoever runs the GP circuit these days if the Vic Government were the ones to cancel, hence the holding out and hoping that it wasn't the government that officially pulled the plug. Said earlier that on the whole Dan is pretty good but he does make the odd hard-to-fathom mistake.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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I'd like to see the respective governments pressure utilities companies to lower their charges since we all need electricity and gas. The last thing anyone needs when recovering at home from coronavirus is a freezing cold house.
 
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123kid

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Got some info today from a doctor who has an anaesthetist staying with him who was assigned to cruise ship patients. CV19 is most contagious for 12-14 days but you may not show symptoms. After that period you may get sick - this period is approx 30 days. Advice - Vitamins D, C, Zinc. Wash hands, drink warm fluids, including boiled warm water. Don’t go out. So that’s 6 weeks, but you have to hope others are being as diligent.. he thinks the idea of lockdown really is the key..
This is quality information. I’d follow the above before anything else being reported.

Out of curiosity, did they give an indication of the recommended dose for the vitamins?
 
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Bill James

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This is quality information. I’d follow the above before anything else being reported.

Out of curiosity, did they give an indication of the recommended dose for the vitamins?
Real quality information, a friend of a friend of a friend said ..........and he wasn't even a virologist, or an epidemiologist.

The final briefing written by the Japanese is in English and easy to read. Here's the link.

Diamond Princess Field Briefing
 

Sintiger

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So we know there's a shortage of test kits, which is the reason for the criteria on who will and won't be tested.
The shortage of test kits (I know there has been a recent arrival of some) is the reason why not enough people have been tested. Which is a factor in the spread of COVID-19 in Australia.
Why can't we make our own test kits? Is it a because of patent laws?
Surely Australia can start making their own test kits, we've had plenty of time to explore the idea.
It takes much longer than that. Also testing consumables/ kits are usually specific to an analyser, the equipment. Manufacturers do that in pathology equipment so users are tied to both their equipment and consumables.
There are so many examples in medical equipment and supplies that we would be much better off if we had a manufacturing sector but we don’t. It’s a lesson for the future.
 
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