Essendon = Entitlement

[tigerman]

I love this threads title, it's so true, especially their supporters.

 

[Fighting Fury]

Hibberd saying he is representing the "Essendon 34" if he is picked in the GF team.
Yeah...so hard done by they were....poor little lambs.

"Get in this minibus and go off site and get jabs of "vitamins" in your bellies, oh and by the way, sign this document and tell no one..."

 

[Tigers of Old]

Jobby “I feel like I am (the deserved winner of the 2012 brownlow medal) . If I felt I had cheated then I wouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.”

Woe is Jab. Gets so much media time for a cheat.

 

[tigerman]

Jobby “I feel like I am (the deserved winner of the 2012 brownlow medal) . If I felt I had cheated then I wouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.”

Jab gets a bit prick-ly every year around Brownlow Medal time, he doesn't get an invite Ben Cousins does though.

 

[spook]

You just know he still has the medal. Boys' club looked after him.

 

[Scoop]

Woe is Jab. Gets so much media time for a cheat.

Wearing a hat with a slogan has never changed a narrative so far.

Seems a decent bloke all things considered but you can't be sprouting about being hard done by.

 

[Baloo]

So *smile* guilty this club. Until they accept that they'll always be held back.

May they keep thinking they are hard done by.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Hibberd saying he is representing the "Essendon 34" if he is picked in the GF team.

Go under then, *smile*. That's the last thing I'd want to hear a Richmond player declaring in the lead-up to a GF.

HS only allowing pro-Watson comments under their article. Get *smile*.

 

[Legends of 2017]

Jobby “I feel like I am (the deserved winner of the 2012 brownlow medal) . If I felt I had cheated then I wouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.”

*smile* off you cheating lying prick

Hibberd saying he is representing the "Essendon 34" if he is picked in the GF team.
Yeah...so hard done by they were....poor little lambs.

"Get in this minibus and go off site and get jabs of "vitamins" in your bellies, oh and by the way, sign this document and tell no one..."

Is that why he still plays for the druggies? Oh wait, he left because he was disgusted with what the club did, didn’t he?

 

[kevbokev]

Jab gets a bit prick-ly every year around Brownlow Medal time, he doesn't get an invite Ben Cousins does though.

Does Hirdy get an invite?

 

[TrialByVideo]

Does Hirdy get an invite?

I suppose someone needs to bring the gear!

 

[leon]

Just proves how appropriate the thread title still is. These entitled flogs, empowered by the support of so much of the AFL media clown pack, especially Fox=Murdoch brand.
No accepting what all the evidence, just investigation and process found proven, and determined outcomes. No, they are still bleating, "I'm innocent and we're so hard done by" ... based on their opinion-in-denial, backed by the above supporters/media.

I cannot believe Hibberd has come out and dredged up this utter BS on the eve of possibly representing MFC in a GF for first flag in 57 years.

Was feeling I might kind of support them giving that huge wait, out of sympathy, since Dogs broke their drought in 2016, against my better instincts to support the WC side; not the bluebloods.

That's decided it for me. Hope Bevo's wild dogs 'eat 'em alive' like the Tigers '17. '19, 20.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Jobby “I feel like I am (the deserved winner of the 2012 brownlow medal) . If I felt I had cheated then I wouldn’t have accepted it in the first place.”

You have to have won the medal fairly to get an invite. He knew he’d cheated. They all did.

 

[taztiger4]

Speaking from personal experience about players in general, I'd say you would be lucky to find 1 in a 100 who knows anything about what they are given, either subcutaneously or in any other form.

Which has always been my point about Essendon by the way.

I believed it was the case that as soon as any sportsperson enters any elite program PE & other drug education begins & they are told they MUST know what they are taking.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Which has always been my point about Essendon by the way.

The Bombers players didn't reveal they were getting systematic injections to ASADA officials. That's not ignorance.

 

[taztiger4]

Absolutely that is the case, the athlete is completely responsible for any substance they consume and should know.

You would find a stark contrast from the well-resourced athletes like cricketers and footballers and your generally self-managed olympian.

The Olympian will be checking everything themselves, using the hotline and the website and keeping meticulous records. The ones living on easy street know they have staff in place to manage those things and trust them to do it, or probably more accurately don't bother to do it.

It's why I am so strong on the AFL report into other clubs at the Essendon saga time stating players at 9 clubs were independently sourcing supplements without supervision. There is a massive difference in the working knowledge of self-managing supplements between a spoon feed AFL player and an athlete that has to hunt what they eat.

If you told me nine of the Olympic sports had athletes sourcing their own supplements I wouldn't bat an eyelid, nine AFL clubs and alarms are going off everywhere. I'd put everything I own on multiple transgressions of the codes.

absolutely correct

So if a 14 year old swimmer can get 2 years, Essendon can GAGF

 

[Carter]

If it was a Richmond player - any player - refusing the vax they’re done for me.

“Yeah, good player but *smile* moron.”

 

[Tigers of Old]

You realise the 34 suspended players were suspended because they admitted to having injections, whereas four players who had signed the same consent forms but denied having injection were not suspended?

ASADA admitted in a senate estimates hearing that without admissions they had no other evidence and therefore took no action against the four who were almost certainly lying.

The chief executive of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (Asada) Ben McDevitt was scathing of the Essendon players, described the three-year drugs saga as “the most devastating self-inflicted injury by a sporting club in Australian history”.

He said the players were clearly at fault and had hidden their Thymosin beta-4 regimen from testers.

“There were very little grounds the players to claim they were at no significant fault. The players had received anti-doping education through the AFL and Asada, and were well aware they they are personally responsible for all substances that entered their body.

“Unfortunately, despite their education, they agreed to be injected with a number of substances they had little knowledge of, made no enquiries about the substance and kept the injections from their team doctor and Asada.”

McDevitt said no Essendon player declared the injections during Asada testing missions to the club, “despite being asked each time whether they had taken any supplements”.

“At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have. At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment.”

Essendon drugs verdict: 34 players guilty of doping charges and banned for 2016 season

AFL players were initially cleared of charges but have been found guilty after World Anti-Doping Agency appealed against the decision

www.theguardian.com

Old news but it's absolutely damning of the players. Anyways I'm so over it.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Anyways I'm so over it.

I'm not. It's now 6278 days since Essendon won a final.

 

[taztiger4]

There's nothing wrong with any of that but like anything, it needs context.

For example saying 'no Essendon player declared the injections during Asada testing missions to the club "despite being asked each time whether they had taken supplements" sounds damning until you consider they are talking about the standard protocol of a drug test, where the players are asked a series of set questions.

The question isn't have you been given injections, it refers to supplements. You don't need to and wouldn't declare a pain killer or a flu shot or a tetanus jab for example. So there is no reason to declare an injection unless you know you've taken a supplement.

Then you look at the AFL's own admission that the bulk of the clubs had programs where the 'definition of supplements was not satisfactory'. So if the definition of supplements is not satisfactory, it stands to reason that many players may not have been aware that what they were taking was defined as supplements and therefore not declared them to the drug testers.

It doesn't change the fact that they should know and should find out, but it's certainly much less damning than the implication that they were trying to cover them up, particularly in the case of the Essendon 34, who were only suspended because they honestly answered questions in their interviews about receiving injections.

LOL