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Gary Ablett snr
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i'll get the legal stuuff out of the way first. gazza was not charged at all. he was condemed by a judge in an inquiry into the girls'd death, thats about all.
ok, i'll throw a spanner in the works, just because i can...
people say gazza should be respected for his deeds on the footy field and ignore what he did off the field right?
what about michael jackson? he's sold more records and had more number 1 hits than most artists. i think the thriller album is still the highest selling album of all time. but he's also an alleged paedophile. do you still respect jackson for his music?
I am not going to comment on whether he is a suitable person to be part of the Hall of Fame, but I think some of you are forgetting that some time after the Coroners inquest he came forward and made a statement to police in which he admitted supplying M/s Horan with dangerous drugs,which she then consumed in his presence..given the respective level of experience of each, I reckon their is a fair chance he wd have been committed for trial on a charge of criminal negligence manslaughter, if that evidence had have been put b/f the Coroner.
In any event his admission that he supplied her constitutes trafficking with or w/out payment and he was fortunate again,that the police decided not to proceed,perhaps b/c he had come forward himself.
I actually feel sorry for him and his family, but not as sorry as I feel for the Horan family,especially today.
In any event his admission that he supplied her constitutes trafficking with or w/out payment and he was fortunate again,that the police decided not to proceed,perhaps b/c he had come forward himself.
I actually feel sorry for him and his family, but not as sorry as I feel for the Horan family,especially today.
This is where we place our values. How many times have we heard footballers, and in particular ABLETT (Snr) desribed as the "great man"?
What makes a "great man"?
Being strong willed? Being moral? Being self disciplined? Respecting others?
Being forgiving? Being fair-minded? Being able to love and be loved?
Or kicking and marking a football?
No-one can deny he was a very good footballer. We all know that. So, does not being in the Hall of Fame change that?
I don't think so.
What makes a "great man"?
Being strong willed? Being moral? Being self disciplined? Respecting others?
Being forgiving? Being fair-minded? Being able to love and be loved?
Or kicking and marking a football?
No-one can deny he was a very good footballer. We all know that. So, does not being in the Hall of Fame change that?
I don't think so.
B
Bill James
Guest
So if Ablett had died on gear Horan supplied it would be ok that he was on a 5 day binge with a 20 year old girl and he'd have been inducted 5 years ago?
The world is a strange place, you run a red light and get snapped you pay the fine and wear the demerits. You do the same thing and hit someone you go down for manslaughter. To all extents you have done nothing different.
The world is a strange place, you run a red light and get snapped you pay the fine and wear the demerits. You do the same thing and hit someone you go down for manslaughter. To all extents you have done nothing different.
Ian4 - Pretty sure Wacko is in at least the Motown Hall of Fame, and, most likely in other musical halls of fame.
If a murderer wrote a great novel they could still win a literature award.
Scientists who invent weapons have won Nobel prizes.
Politicians collect pensions for life.
If a murderer wrote a great novel they could still win a literature award.
Scientists who invent weapons have won Nobel prizes.
Politicians collect pensions for life.
he should go straight to legend status.
boy, if it's good enough for leigh matthews ...
the farce has gone on far too long.
Gary, you ARE a legend, cheers.
(off topic - remember M.Jacksons 'artist of the century' acceptance speech? problem was no such award was being presented (like it wouldn't have gone to elvis))
boy, if it's good enough for leigh matthews ...
the farce has gone on far too long.
Gary, you ARE a legend, cheers.
(off topic - remember M.Jacksons 'artist of the century' acceptance speech? problem was no such award was being presented (like it wouldn't have gone to elvis))
mb64 said:
What would you do expect mb ?
It would have been bigger than the Azaria Chamberlain case. :
mb64 said:
Yes! but Eddie then mentioned that a Collingwood player was overlooked, so it's probably sour grapes from Eddie.
If he had of been a Scumwood's player it would'nt have been on the footy show saying how he did'nt deserve it.
He is the most complete footballer I have ever seen-pace, stenghth speed, agility, both sides of the body, tough-you name it -he had it all as Stan Alves said-"I played 279 games of football at the highest level and I never once did anything that Ablett would do week in and out" Michael Turner could attest to this -when he first met the young 16 year old Ablett at training-he was directed by the coach touch him up a bit in circle work-the young Ablett beat him hands down.
Discretions off the field aside-he would waltz into the AFLs dream team of all time-he would probably be in the first ten named. Legend status would be deserved. As Bob Davis said -if you thoruoghly scrutinized those already inducted into the hall of fame-you would unearth skeletons in the closet.
The real question about the AFL Hall of Fame is this -is it about the footballer and the person -or is it about the footballer???
Discretions off the field aside-he would waltz into the AFLs dream team of all time-he would probably be in the first ten named. Legend status would be deserved. As Bob Davis said -if you thoruoghly scrutinized those already inducted into the hall of fame-you would unearth skeletons in the closet.
The real question about the AFL Hall of Fame is this -is it about the footballer and the person -or is it about the footballer???
mb64 said:
If he'd played at Collingwood Nathan would have had to sleep in the spare room and Eddie would have had Gazza's babies.
People are missing the real point with McGuire’s displeasure about the Ablett induction and the vicious diatribe on the selection committee i.e. the selection committee is made up of a one….. Caroline Wilson.
McGuire’s typically excessive rant last night, putting up the names of the committee members, saying they should all be sacked etc. was just McGuire and Channel 9 firing another shot in their ongoing war with Caroline Wilson and certain other parts of the media.
Notice how McGuire didn’t directly say Ablett shouldn’t be in the HOF ? What he said was that the people on the selection committee had not upheld the criteria nor had they changed it in order to fit Ablett in, so they should be sacked. His focus was on the committee – not so much Ablett. It was just McGuire and the evil Channel 9 working to hidden motives again.
McGuire’s typically excessive rant last night, putting up the names of the committee members, saying they should all be sacked etc. was just McGuire and Channel 9 firing another shot in their ongoing war with Caroline Wilson and certain other parts of the media.
Notice how McGuire didn’t directly say Ablett shouldn’t be in the HOF ? What he said was that the people on the selection committee had not upheld the criteria nor had they changed it in order to fit Ablett in, so they should be sacked. His focus was on the committee – not so much Ablett. It was just McGuire and the evil Channel 9 working to hidden motives again.
Boyanich said:
I think you've summed up the reason for his exclusion, so far, if not for a longer period perfectly, Boyo.
So many people refer to a vastly talented footballer as a "great man". There is a criterion within the Hall of Fame to consider off-field behaviour, it is IMO, appropriate given the confusion between great footballers and great men.
Bill, I appreciate the luck element involved in any escalation of a minor offence. It's just that the offences Gary Ablett was involved in were serious enough in their own right to warrant exclusion, IMO. The death of the young woman massively inccrased the exposure and sensitivity of the issue and of course, the tragedy.
