We have a massive amount of landfill that’s one way. It isn’t toxic. Plastic is also a pretty long term carbon sink - we just don’t like it in the see.
Key motto - dont burn your old Lego pieces for energy!
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Key motto - dont burn your old Lego pieces for energy!
Disagree.
Don't think coal waste is radioactive and deadly for 250,000 years.
Don't think coal waste has to be buried far underground in geologically stable repositories for hundreds of thousands of years. The thing is that any waste has to be water tight for hundreds of thousands of years, otherwise the toxic radioactive waste can leach out.
Don't think you need security on coal waste so no-one makes a dirty bomb out of it.
In any case, you set a low bar.
Read this and see what you think:
https://www.theenergymix.com/nuclear-legacy-is-a-costly-headache-for-the-future/
There is no safe way to dispose of nuclear waste.
DS
Indeed, and it is a question as to how long CO2 lasts in the atmosphere, I'll quote the MIT Climate site:
Yeah, it's bad, tens of thousands of years.
Still less than radioactive toxic nuclear waste where we're talking geological timescales of hundreds of thousands of years.
DS
No worries, just that the nuclear advocates always seem to omit mentioning the intractable very long waste problem they seem to have no problem creating.
DS
Encase a steel drum in a lead casing then outer case of steel, drop it down here. Couple of shovels of concrete and it’s done. Nothing will leak 12 klms up.
Yep, when all else fails the nuclear apologists start clutching at straws to explain how to deal with the waste. I hope you have a big steel drum as there are around 25,000 cubic metres of high level waste, over 500,000 cubic metres of intermediate level waste and let's not even mention the low level waste which is over 25,000,000 cubic metres.
There is no safe way to dispose of nuclear waste.
DS
We’ll drop around to your place. You can nag it into oblivion
I’ll bring popcorn.We’ll drop around to your place. You can nag it into oblivion
We’ll drop around to your place. You can nag it into oblivion
Oh the irony
Yeah, the irony he asks a question, I answer it. He asks the same question then makes the same statement.
The real irony is who you reply to. We certainly don’t expect it to be your teammate.
Canadian township signs potential repository hosting agreement : Waste & Recycling - World Nuclear News
The agreement between the Township of Ignace and Canada's Nuclear Waste Management Organization outlines the community's role and potential benefits, and is the next step in the ongoing process to select a site for a repository for the nation's used nuclear fuel.
They can give it some of this first up
These bacteria clean up radioactive waste
For decades, scientists suspected that bacteria known as Geobacter could clean up radioactive uranium waste, but it wasn't clear how the microbes did it. "The…
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Dear Chris Bowen, there’s only one ‘renewable energy superpower’ – it’s called China and Australia has no chance of competing
We are sleepwalking towards an energy nightmare far worse than the 1973 oil crisis thanks to Labor’s delusional belief it can make Australia a main player in the renewables market, writes Nick Cater.
Nick Cater
March 24, 2024 6:00 am
History tells us that nations that rely on other countries for energy are flirting with danger.
In the early 1970s, much of the world had come to rely so heavily on oil from the Middle East that oil sheikhs could hold most of the developed world to ransom.
In countries like Britain, which had come to depend heavily on Middle Eastern oil sheikhs, pump prices doubled, and fuel was rationed.
In Australia, on the other hand, pump prices remained steady at around 20 cents a litre since 80 per cent of the oil was extracted locally.
Back then, we refined almost all our petrol and diesel onshore.
Today, Australia is sleep walking towards an energy nightmare far worse than the 1973 oil crisis.
This time, it's not the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) we should fear, it’s the Communist regime in China.
Beijing is to renewable energy what Abu Dhabi used to be to oil.
Anthony Albanese’s government, hellbent on achieving fanciful emissions-free energy targets, has walked into China's trap.
While Energy Minister Chris Bowen fantasises about turning Australia into a renewable superpower, he seems blind to what’s been happening in the energy geopolitics.
China is already the dominant force in renewable energy and Mr Bowen’s ill-advised policies seem designed to keep it that way for ever.
China dominates the solar panel industry.
Solar panel exports from China were worth $US52 billion, far outstripping the value of Australian thermal coal exports ($US43 billion).
The trend is in China's favour, as far as the eye can see.
China is already the dominant force in renewable energy and Chris Bowen’s ill-advised policies seem designed to keep it that way for ever.
Australian governments, state and federal, do their level best to prevent coal exports from expanding by imposing punitive royalties.
Red tape and environmental lawfare make it impossible to open new mines, despite buoyant global demand.
China's single-minded government, on the other hand, has doggedly pursued the goal of becoming the world leader in solar as a first step towards becoming the only player in the market.
And it is succeeding.
China's share of solar panel manufacturing worldwide is approaching 90 per cent and is rising.
Chinese manufacturers have flourished by pursuing two commercial advantages.
They can readily assemble a work force that is either willing to labour in filthy jobs for a pittance or can be coerced into doing so.
Some 45 per cent of Chinese solar panels exports are produced in Xinjiang province using forced labour from China's Uyghur Muslims, according to research by the UK's Sheffield Hallam University.
The solar panel industry's other dirty secret is the energy consumed in processing minerals and manufacturing.
Each square metre of solar-voltaic material requires between 400 to 800 kWh of energy to produce, up to 50 times the daily consumption of an average Australian household.
China uses the abundant and cheap energy it produces from coal to manufacture solar panels, loading each panel with a carbon debt that takes up to four years to pay off.
China is increasing its dominance of the wind turbine industry, and European producers struggle to compete.
Last week, the Albanese Government quietly removed anti-dumping tariffs on wind turbine towers, giving China the freedom to bid for a substantial share of the thousands of towers that must be built by 2030 to meet the government's renewable energy target.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen recently pushed even more green jobs in China's direction by announcing some of the world's most stringent vehicle emissions standards.
Last year, 86.9 per cent of EVs sold in Australia were manufactured in China.
China produces seven of the 10 best selling EVs including the Tesla Model Y and Model 3 which are built under licence in Shanghai, as well as the BYD Atto 3, MG ZS EV, Volvo XC40 , Polestar 2 and Volvo C40.
China has overtaken Germany and Korea to become the third largest source of cars sold in Australia.
By subsidising electric vehicles and taxing those driven by internal combustion, China is on track to become the leading supplier of vehicles to Australia well before the end of the decade.
Chinese global dominance in steel production, aluminium cables and other components essential to electricity transmission will mean that a significant share of the economic benefit from the tens of billions of dollars invested in new transmission will produce Chinese jobs and Chinese profits.
The energy and trade security implications of the government's headlong rush into renewable energy have received scant attention from the Albanese government or the renewable energy cheer squad in most mainstream media.
Yet, under Labor, the course is set.
By the end of the century, Australia will rely on good relations with China to maintain its energy supply.
Meanwhile, our Energy Minister tries to persuade us that there will be 60,000 clean energy jobs by 2025.
He boasts that we can maintain the same competitive edge we enjoy as a leading fossil fuel producer by exporting solar power to Singapore using a yet-to-be-built cable along one the deepest sections of ocean floor on the planet.
He believes we can be a major export of green hydrogen by 2030.
Green hydrogen is a technology far from proven at scale that requires mind-boggling amounts of electricity to produce.
Chris Bowen is delusional.
The so-called green jobs are being created in China.
Green, perhaps, but not so clean for those breathing in cancer-causing dust and fumes, washing down sulphuric acid to refine the 8kg of lithium carbonate and 14kg of cobalt that go into every Tesla battery.
Nick Cater is a senior fellow at Menzies Research Centre
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China is going to own the world in a couple of decades. And we’ll be using candles at night
We are sleepwalking towards an energy nightmare far worse than the 1973 oil crisis thanks to Labor’s delusional belief it can make Australia a main player in the renewables market, writes Nick Cater.
Nick Cater
March 24, 2024 6:00 am
History tells us that nations that rely on other countries for energy are flirting with danger.
In the early 1970s, much of the world had come to rely so heavily on oil from the Middle East that oil sheikhs could hold most of the developed world to ransom.
In countries like Britain, which had come to depend heavily on Middle Eastern oil sheikhs, pump prices doubled, and fuel was rationed.
In Australia, on the other hand, pump prices remained steady at around 20 cents a litre since 80 per cent of the oil was extracted locally.
Back then, we refined almost all our petrol and diesel onshore.
Today, Australia is sleep walking towards an energy nightmare far worse than the 1973 oil crisis.
This time, it's not the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) we should fear, it’s the Communist regime in China.
Beijing is to renewable energy what Abu Dhabi used to be to oil.
Anthony Albanese’s government, hellbent on achieving fanciful emissions-free energy targets, has walked into China's trap.
While Energy Minister Chris Bowen fantasises about turning Australia into a renewable superpower, he seems blind to what’s been happening in the energy geopolitics.
China is already the dominant force in renewable energy and Mr Bowen’s ill-advised policies seem designed to keep it that way for ever.
China dominates the solar panel industry.
Solar panel exports from China were worth $US52 billion, far outstripping the value of Australian thermal coal exports ($US43 billion).
The trend is in China's favour, as far as the eye can see.
China is already the dominant force in renewable energy and Chris Bowen’s ill-advised policies seem designed to keep it that way for ever.
Australian governments, state and federal, do their level best to prevent coal exports from expanding by imposing punitive royalties.
Red tape and environmental lawfare make it impossible to open new mines, despite buoyant global demand.
China's single-minded government, on the other hand, has doggedly pursued the goal of becoming the world leader in solar as a first step towards becoming the only player in the market.
And it is succeeding.
China's share of solar panel manufacturing worldwide is approaching 90 per cent and is rising.
Chinese manufacturers have flourished by pursuing two commercial advantages.
They can readily assemble a work force that is either willing to labour in filthy jobs for a pittance or can be coerced into doing so.
Some 45 per cent of Chinese solar panels exports are produced in Xinjiang province using forced labour from China's Uyghur Muslims, according to research by the UK's Sheffield Hallam University.
The solar panel industry's other dirty secret is the energy consumed in processing minerals and manufacturing.
Each square metre of solar-voltaic material requires between 400 to 800 kWh of energy to produce, up to 50 times the daily consumption of an average Australian household.
China uses the abundant and cheap energy it produces from coal to manufacture solar panels, loading each panel with a carbon debt that takes up to four years to pay off.
China is increasing its dominance of the wind turbine industry, and European producers struggle to compete.
Last week, the Albanese Government quietly removed anti-dumping tariffs on wind turbine towers, giving China the freedom to bid for a substantial share of the thousands of towers that must be built by 2030 to meet the government's renewable energy target.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen recently pushed even more green jobs in China's direction by announcing some of the world's most stringent vehicle emissions standards.
Last year, 86.9 per cent of EVs sold in Australia were manufactured in China.
China produces seven of the 10 best selling EVs including the Tesla Model Y and Model 3 which are built under licence in Shanghai, as well as the BYD Atto 3, MG ZS EV, Volvo XC40 , Polestar 2 and Volvo C40.
China has overtaken Germany and Korea to become the third largest source of cars sold in Australia.
By subsidising electric vehicles and taxing those driven by internal combustion, China is on track to become the leading supplier of vehicles to Australia well before the end of the decade.
Chinese global dominance in steel production, aluminium cables and other components essential to electricity transmission will mean that a significant share of the economic benefit from the tens of billions of dollars invested in new transmission will produce Chinese jobs and Chinese profits.
The energy and trade security implications of the government's headlong rush into renewable energy have received scant attention from the Albanese government or the renewable energy cheer squad in most mainstream media.
Yet, under Labor, the course is set.
By the end of the century, Australia will rely on good relations with China to maintain its energy supply.
Meanwhile, our Energy Minister tries to persuade us that there will be 60,000 clean energy jobs by 2025.
He boasts that we can maintain the same competitive edge we enjoy as a leading fossil fuel producer by exporting solar power to Singapore using a yet-to-be-built cable along one the deepest sections of ocean floor on the planet.
He believes we can be a major export of green hydrogen by 2030.
Green hydrogen is a technology far from proven at scale that requires mind-boggling amounts of electricity to produce.
Chris Bowen is delusional.
The so-called green jobs are being created in China.
Green, perhaps, but not so clean for those breathing in cancer-causing dust and fumes, washing down sulphuric acid to refine the 8kg of lithium carbonate and 14kg of cobalt that go into every Tesla battery.
Nick Cater is a senior fellow at Menzies Research Centre
—————————————————————-
China is going to own the world in a couple of decades. And we’ll be using candles at night
Who'd a thunk it?Yeah, the irony he asks a question, I answer it. He asks the same question then makes the same statement.
The real irony is who you reply to. We certainly don’t expect it to be your teammate.
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They can give it some of this first up
These bacteria clean up radioactive waste
For decades, scientists suspected that bacteria known as Geobacter could clean up radioactive uranium waste, but it wasn't clear how the microbes did it. "The…
If this is even 10% reality n 90% hype then it won't be long before some smart arse human polishes things up a bit n we'll have furry little green bacteria critters running around everywhere munching up earths nuclear waste. 250,000 years of glow in the dark reduced to dodgy green slime in a matter of hours instead. Poor old Triple S Datsun would be apoplectic. Qtr of a million years blown away in a nano second.
Ooooh Willo. What you just said.
So China either takes over n controls the world in another 20 or 30 years, or they pump out that much extra pollution and toxicity trying to get there that the modern civilised world as we know it today is dead n buried under toxic sludge anyway.
Yay for us humans, we're seriously *smile* whichever way we turn. Self inflicted of course.
Like many of these articles, a lot of it is true. Green hydrogen as an export product is beyond stupid from an engineering / technical point of view*
Hopefully we don't waste too much taxpayer money on it.
On the other hand the scaremongering on coal for solar panels is more a political point. The EROE (energy return on energy) of solar panels is quite good. You do want solar breeder plants eventually though - where the energy from the (coal) solar panels makes new solar panels with the solar energy until you transition out of coal.
The slave labor being used to make them (out of sight out of mind?)... If the panels cost more - then less of them will be made and the transition will take longer.
*There are some hard to decarbonise industries where it will maybe make sense - and you need to use it where it is made - but we should be throwing money at heaps of other stuff first that will reduce way more CO2 for way less $/resources. Fortescue has pulled a big swifty.
See the word "potential" there? This is always the case, or at the very minimum the case in the overwhelming majority of proposals. Potential, suggested, proposed, suitable, these words are attached to sites a lot, a bloody lot. But when it comes to actually following through, doing the work, consulting with the community, spending money on planning and prep, they fall over. When it comes to the crunch, and the developers say to the community 'OK where do you want us to start?", they think twice, go luke warm, find that the level of opposition is higher than they'd banked one, and all of that effects the approvals and financing, if it gets that far.Yeah, the irony he asks a question, I answer it. He asks the same question then makes the same statement.
The real irony is who you reply to. We certainly don’t expect it to be your teammate.
Found somewhere else to hide it.Canadian township signs potential repository hosting agreement : Waste & Recycling - World Nuclear News
The agreement between the Township of Ignace and Canada's Nuclear Waste Management Organization outlines the community's role and potential benefits, and is the next step in the ongoing process to select a site for a repository for the nation's used nuclear fuel.world-nuclear-news.org
When it comes to the crunch, the pointy end, the bottom line, history tells us that the majority of people in local communities slated for nuclear waste disposal don't want it. A few locals might be in favour, maybe a lot, but its never a majority. Those pushing it usually live in far-removed cities. Thats not to say that this will keep happening, we can't predict the future, but history tells us they get canned, some early, some after the process is pretty advanced, but they get canned.
Same as what happened at Kimba SA. The Indigenous land owners took the Feds to court and it was squashed.
But someone will take the money, one day.
He supplied plenty of facts to go with his opinion. Can you refute any or is it just your opinion on the bloke?
