Greg Miller Talent Boosting Plan

[shawry]

I'm also SICK TO DEATH OF THIS GOAL KICKING SMALL FORWARD CRAP.

*smile* recruit mid fielders that kick goals when resting - genuine midfielders. It's better to have 4 midfielders kick say 25 t o35 goals for a season than one permanent forward who managed 45.

My thoughts exactly. couldnt agree more there. Rodan is a prime example. Krakouer also, they will play midfield and will be handy resting, I dont think we need them. If we get Brown he is bot h midfielder and goal kicker too. Why get a specialist?

 

[Harry]

The way losers behave is having blind faith of the losers we have at the club.

What do the things Miller said remind you of?...........exactly what we've been doing for a long long time........that is getting rid of high draft picks for "star players" while neglecting the best youngsters, and using late draft picks on recycled hacks.

They have identified the list as being weak yet they are STILL after quick fixes............tell me who the losers are now.

Mistakes, excuses, forever.

PS - I don't want to say I told you so.......again.

 

[BalmyArmy]

Have they given away our draft picks yet? No, they haven't. What they say and do are two different things. My understanding from people I've met is that we are going to trade tailend players such as Hilton, King, Pettifer, Houlihan etc for recycled players. We wont get draft paicks for them. As far as trading better players, ie Richo, Bowden, Holland etc, they will be used to either get early picks or trades with good players, ie Power, Murphy, Brown etc.

How about you take a wait and see attitude. There's nothing we can do about it. You'll make yourself sick the way you worry. Only a matter of time before we find out.

 

[Harry]

Thanks for your concern about my health....really appreciate it.

Reminds me of the wait and see remarks regarding the recruitment of Nicholls and Fleming.........now correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Miller at the club when they elected to recruit these 2 guns?

If they do what they are saying then we are going even more backwards.

Why would they say these ridiculous comments if they don't intend to do it.

Mistakes, Excuses, Forever.

 

[Redford]

Foghorn will ensure we remain a rabble for years....

 

[BalmyArmy]

Thanks for your concern about my health....really appreciate it.

Reminds me of the wait and see remarks regarding the recruitment of Nicholls and Fleming.........now correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Miller at the club when they elected to recruit these 2 guns?

I'm debatingn this same bloody post with Ridley on another thread.

I was saying to him that Miller wasn't there more than 5 minutes before the last trade/draft period. he had no insight to our list. i also believe along with the signing of Johnson and Blumfield, the club moved mountains off feild last year and we will now see on field changed as well.

 

[Harry]

you don't need 5 minutes to see that fleming and nicholls are complete hacks.

And don't hang your hat on the Johnson trade.....in a few years time when Johnson is withdrawing his funds from the bank in readiness to retire, players like Wells, Brennan and Salopek will be dominating the comp.

Quick fixes, mistakes, excuses, forever.

 

[BalmyArmy]

Fair call, but I would prefer a 2 time premiership player who followed the club as a kid, playing for us. Might I remind you he was one of our best 3 players this year.

Anyway, what's to say we would've selected Wells, Brennan, Salopek. According to your theory we wouldn't have drafted them anyway. Don't we only ever recruit duds?

We've got proof and reward from Kane already. Where's the proof that the other 3 will be great players?

IMO we've done well getting a player who we needed with experience and passion for the club.

 

[Harry]

Thats the quick fix mentality of the club - "rather recruit an established player than developing a talented youngster".

Does it surprise you that we are crap.

 

[Ridley]

Thanks for your concern about my health....really appreciate it.

Reminds me of the wait and see remarks regarding the recruitment of Nicholls and Fleming.........now correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Miller at the club when they elected to recruit these 2 guns?

I'm debatingn this same bloody post with Ridley on another thread.

I was saying to him that Miller wasn't there more than 5 minutes before the last trade/draft period. he had no insight to our list. i also believe along with the signing of Johnson and Blumfield, the club moved mountains off feild last year and we will now see on field changed as well.

Can't have it both ways BA. If you're gonna give Miller credit for Johnson and Blumfield, he has to take the wrap for superhacks Nicholls and Fleming.

I will say I think Johnson is a good pickup and will be a good player for us for the next 6-7 years at least. The jury is out on Blumfield to say the least. Plays without passion and I reckon he was carried in a great team at Essendon. He just gets the benefit of the doubt because of his injury but he'd want to show a lot more next year than he showed in his last half dozen games this year.

 

[Ridley]

you don't need 5 minutes to see that fleming and nicholls are complete hacks.

And don't hang your hat on the Johnson trade.....in a few years time when Johnson is withdrawing his funds from the bank in readiness to retire, players like Wells, Brennan and Salopek will be dominating the comp.

Quick fixes, mistakes, excuses, forever.

I rate Johnson, Harry. He's reasonably tough and is pretty skillful, which is a combination that hasn't exactly been in abundance at Richmond in recent years. The thing that really pisses me off though is that we could have got rid of that over rated, overpaid lemon Ben *smile* Truck Holland at the end of 2001, got Johnson and also picked up one of the young guns you mentioned as well.

Incompetence and ineptitude at its best.

 

[gustiger12]

We can name drop all we like.

The simple fact is that MILLER has admitted that to draft recycled players you have to be very astute.

Collingwood have done this very very well over the last few years and now have a good mix which will keep them in the running for quite awhile (as much as i hate to admit it0

MILLER has singled out COLLINGWOOD in this respect and if he can do half as well at Tigerland over the next couple of year I for one will be happy.

It is a delicate balancing act, but I am prepared to at least give him the chance to show what he has got in mind.

I am sure that if in 3 -4 years we are doing as well as Collingwood most will be happy.

If not......well I will be on the bus

 

[tigerjoe]

The whole problem with recruiting recycled players at Richmond is that we do not have the ability to improve them.
If we had Kevin Sheedy, Matthews, Pagan or Malthouse then I would be behind Miller 100%.

Instead we have a team of dud coaches who couldn't teach a kid to eat lollies!

We will only be doing the job 50% recruiting potential players and not changing coaches.
The only reason why a recruit like Coughlan is great is because he is a ready made champion.
Not even spud could ruin him, or could he?

 

[DragicevicFan]

Getting a couple of recycled players and trading our high picks for an established player isnt going to help us. We are that far off playing finals, let alone competing for a premiership that middled aged recruits will simply mean we continue to finish middle of the road and miss the finals, yet still miss the good draft picks(which we would trade away or waste anyway).

In case the club havent realised, we have been waiting for 20 years, and most supporters would rather wait another 2-3 years and have a group of talented young players all come through together.

The only exciting thing about Richmond at the moment is Coughlan, Newman, Krakouer, Zantuck, McGrath, Rodan and Schulz - all kids. This is what we need more of.

Trade for draft picks and fill the list with kids, then at the end of next year, keep the good kids, flick the duds, and draft another batch.

Keep doing it until we have a team that compete. Recycled hacks have got us where we are today, we need kids, not quick fixes.

 

[the claw]

Getting a couple of recycled players and trading our high picks for an established player isnt going to help us. We are that far off playing finals, let alone competing for a premiership that middled aged recruits will simply mean we continue to finish middle of the road and miss the finals, yet still miss the good draft picks(which we would trade away or waste anyway).

In case the club havent realised, we have been waiting for 20 years, and most supporters would rather wait another 2-3 years and have a group of talented young players all come through together.

The only exciting thing about Richmond at the moment is Coughlan, Newman, Krakouer, Zantuck, McGrath, Rodan and Schulz - all kids. This is what we need more of.

Trade for draft picks and fill the list with kids, then at the end of next year, keep the good kids, flick the duds, and draft another batch.

Keep doing it until we have a team that compete. Recycled hacks have got us where we are today, we need kids, not quick fixes.

totally agree df

 

[Rosy]

Recycled hacks have got us where we are today, we need kids, not quick fixes.

Hacks is the operative word here.

There is room for recycled players in a team but there's no room for kids who are hacks.

It's a matter of choosing the right players whether recycled or kids. Make Richmond a hack-free zone.

 

[sgloury]

[quote author=rosy3

There is room for recycled players in a team but there's no room for kids who are hacks.]

It is not always easy to tell though Rosy whether a recycled player is a hack or whether they can play until they are given a chance.

Freo got rid of Peter Bell after 1 game, Matthew Primus didn't cut it at Geelong and Essendon didn't rate John Barnes early in his career. These players were considered "hacks" by their original clubs but turned out to be stars.

Then of course you have the players at the opposite end of the scale - Bidders, King etc etc who failed at their original club and failed at Tigerland as well.

 

[the claw]

you don't need 5 minutes to see that fleming and nicholls are complete hacks.

And don't hang your hat on the Johnson trade.....in a few years time when Johnson is withdrawing his funds from the bank in readiness to retire, players like Wells, Brennan and Salopek will be dominating the comp.

Quick fixes, mistakes, excuses, forever.

I rate Johnson, Harry. He's reasonably tough and is pretty skillful, which is a combination that hasn't exactly been in abundance at Richmond in recent years. The thing that really p!sses me off though is that we could have got rid of that over rated, overpaid lemon Ben sh!t Truck Holland at the end of 2001, got Johnson and also picked up one of the young guns you mentioned as well.

Incompetence and ineptitude at its best.

harry is right ridley if it takes another 4 or 5 yrs to become a force johnson will be past it and no use to us just like cameron who cost us 2 early picks in one of the strongest drafts ever the dogs picked up hahn &hargraveswiththe picks that we gave them we really need to bring a large group of kids thru at the one time it is pointless drafting established players just to keep us in the middle of the table. lets get 20to25 good kids to the club then top them up with whatever experieced players we need (ie johnson cameron) the clubs future champions should come from our early picks not from rectcled players.

 

[PMac]

Like Rosy said a whole lot earlier, the Miller article really only makes sense if you read the whole thing mainly as it reflects the real situation for footy clubs, ie the need to field a team week in week out, pay them, and all things going well win games.

As much as I'd love to see us recruit lots of youngsters you simply cant ignore the fact that come the 2004 season we have to field a team and were we to delist 8-10 players and replace them with nothing but 17/18 year olds we couldnt field a team (that wouldnt get smashed anyway).

Millers article addresses these points and many more (like "betting" 125k on 17 years olds that may never play a single game) that illustrate the reality of running a team and not sniping from the cheap seats like we do.

PS. A few points on the Fleming draft. We picked him up with a third round pick (41). I may be wrong but I believe no youngsters selected after him played more than a few games this year (he played 17). In his first year of firsts he averaged 10 possessions a game, considerably better than half our list with far more experience. All in all he hasnt been too bad.

 

[Rosy]

It is not always easy to tell though Rosy whether a recycled player is a hack or whether they can play until they are given a chance.

I mightn't have got my point across properly YT. DF gave the opinion recycled players aren't the way to go cos they are hacks.
Some are hacks and some are good. You've got to get the right ones.
At least the club has the benefit of having seen recycled players in action so hopefully they choose wisely.
I think we need a mix of recycled players and kids.