Jack Ross

[123cups]

Is 1-2 quarters of AFL footy better for a young player’s development than 4 quarters of VFL footy?

If yes, then he’s had better development opportunities because of the medical sub rule.

 

[Dont Argue]

His decision making and disposal looks sub par AFL level to me.
I hope being the sub and lack of continuity causes that.
But unfortunately I doubt it.

 

[Redford]

Throw him in for decent game time the next two weeks.

 

[Brodders17]

The sub rule is killing some player's careers. It has to go.

If they want to have an extra player on the bench so be it, I'll agree with Brad Scott for once - if the sub is a thing it should just be an extra player on the bench.

DS

you know you're wrong when you are agreeing with a Scott.
If they extend the bench to 5, in a year or 2 teams will have a few injuries in a game and the calls will come to re-introduce the medical sub.
teams just have to manage when they get injuries.
if coaches are so concerned maybe they should come up with game styles that dont demand their players run 13k on a game if they arent up to it.

 

[daniel30]

Overated for me kicking a major issue I don't see what people see in him.

 

[tigertim]

you know you're wrong when you are agreeing with a Scott.
If they extend the bench to 5, in a year or 2 teams will have a few injuries in a game and the calls will come to re-introduce the medical sub.
teams just have to manage when they get injuries.
if coaches are so concerned maybe they should come up with game styles that dont demand their players run 13k on a game if they arent up to it.

Yeah, agree. It seems to be forgotten that when a player goes down injured and can’t play out the game that there’s still 3 others sitting on the bench able to play.

 

[Tenacious]

you know you're wrong when you are agreeing with a Scott.
If they extend the bench to 5, in a year or 2 teams will have a few injuries in a game and the calls will come to re-introduce the medical sub.
teams just have to manage when they get injuries.
if coaches are so concerned maybe they should come up with game styles that dont demand their players run 13k on a game if they arent up to it.

100%
Scott - and probably most coaches really - would always prefer a bigger interchange bench and more allowed rotations than whatever they’ve got now
Got to draw the line on what we’ve got now

 

[French Tiger]

Either play the kid for a full game or he plays VFL , give someone else a go at the sub role.

 

[tigerman]

Needs to be given a few games on the trot.

 

[daird]

I think the way we've managed him has been bad for his development. Imagine getting a game here and there, dropped each time, kept as a sub to play one quarter etc. You'd be terrified of making a mistake each time you do get to play.

Need to give him a decent run at it to get used to it again.

 

[The_Celebrant]

Caddy as a 3rd tall yesterday, strong in body.

Agreed. If Caddy's role had been to curb Lever's influence - as Towner did in the 2017 GF - this would have helped to free up Lynch and Riewoldt. And instruct the team to play through Caddy early on, to separate their defence and keep his opponent accountable.

 

[DavidSSS]

you know you're wrong when you are agreeing with a Scott.
If they extend the bench to 5, in a year or 2 teams will have a few injuries in a game and the calls will come to re-introduce the medical sub.
teams just have to manage when they get injuries.
if coaches are so concerned maybe they should come up with game styles that dont demand their players run 13k on a game if they arent up to it.

Look, I'm fine to go back to 4 or even 3 interchange players. But FFS get rid of the sub it is wrecking players' development.

DS

 

[toothless]

Agreed. If Caddy's role had been to curb Lever's influence - as Towner did in the 2017 GF - this would have helped to free up Lynch and Riewoldt. And instruct the team to play through Caddy early on, to separate their defence and keep his opponent accountable.

Swap Caddy for Faarts, they're as slow as one another but Caddy is far the superior player and is a proven forward target. Would definitely help ease the burden from lunch & Riewoldt

 

[Tigers of Old]

if coaches are so concerned maybe they should come up with game styles that dont demand their players run 13k on a game if they arent up to it.

Very valid point Brodders. The coach's need to re-look at what they're asking their players to do.

 

[The_General]

Interesting take by some folks on Ross's skills. This was his scouting report in U18.

STRENGTHS: Inside/outside mix, aggression, ball winning, efficiency, speed
IMPROVEMENTS: Endurance, tackling
SUMMARY: Jack Ross is a player who has flown under the radar to put together a very impressive year amongst a raft of stars in the Oakleigh Chargers midfield. A TAC Cup mainstay, Ross has shown signs of an all-round midfield game with a good mix of aggressive ball winning, and outside class to deliver well by foot. Given he wins his fair share of contested ball, with an average of 5.4 clearances while kicking the ball long 28.7 per cent of the time, Ross’ disposal efficiency is highly impressive and a testament to his decision making when given time and space. That mix of class and aggression is rare, and puts him in good stead for making an impact at the next level with his 86.7kg frame. Given his power, Ross’ 20m sprint time of 2.95 seconds makes sense, but he could look to use that more when bursting from packs. Despite his aggressive approach, Ross can also improve on his tackling numbers, averaging just 2.4 as a midfielder who often finds himself in the clinches. As a power-based athlete, endurance is also something Ross should improve to become a more dominant midfielder and run out games with more than his average of 20.5 disposals. There is not much Ross can’t do as a midfielder though, and he looks like a ready-made prospect.

NAB League Boys​

Season	Team	K	HB	D	M	CP	UP	T	HO	CLR	I50	R50	GL	GM	K	H	D	M	HO	T	G	DC
2017	Oakleigh Chargers	8	8	16	3	6	11	2	0	3	1	1	0	1	8.0	8.0	16.0	3.0	0.0	2.0	0.0	61
2018	Oakleigh Chargers	103	149	252	56	109	147	31	1	61	37	9	7	12	8.6	12.4	21.0	4.7	0.1	2.6	0.6	90
Total	-	111	157	268	59	115	158	33	1	64	38	10	7	13	8.5	12.1	20.6	4.5	0.1	2.5	0.5	151

 

[Dont Argue]

Interesting take by some folks on Ross's skills. This was his scouting report in U18.

STRENGTHS: Inside/outside mix, aggression, ball winning, efficiency, speed
IMPROVEMENTS: Endurance, tackling
SUMMARY: Jack Ross is a player who has flown under the radar to put together a very impressive year amongst a raft of stars in the Oakleigh Chargers midfield. A TAC Cup mainstay, Ross has shown signs of an all-round midfield game with a good mix of aggressive ball winning, and outside class to deliver well by foot. Given he wins his fair share of contested ball, with an average of 5.4 clearances while kicking the ball long 28.7 per cent of the time, Ross’ disposal efficiency is highly impressive and a testament to his decision making when given time and space. That mix of class and aggression is rare, and puts him in good stead for making an impact at the next level with his 86.7kg frame. Given his power, Ross’ 20m sprint time of 2.95 seconds makes sense, but he could look to use that more when bursting from packs. Despite his aggressive approach, Ross can also improve on his tackling numbers, averaging just 2.4 as a midfielder who often finds himself in the clinches. As a power-based athlete, endurance is also something Ross should improve to become a more dominant midfielder and run out games with more than his average of 20.5 disposals. There is not much Ross can’t do as a midfielder though, and he looks like a ready-made prospect.

NAB League Boys​

Season	Team	K	HB	D	M	CP	UP	T	HO	CLR	I50	R50	GL	GM	K	H	D	M	HO	T	G	DC
2017	Oakleigh Chargers	8	8	16	3	6	11	2	0	3	1	1	0	1	8.0	8.0	16.0	3.0	0.0	2.0	0.0	61
2018	Oakleigh Chargers	103	149	252	56	109	147	31	1	61	37	9	7	12	8.6	12.4	21.0	4.7	0.1	2.6	0.6	90
Total	-	111	157	268	59	115	158	33	1	64	38	10	7	13	8.5	12.1	20.6	4.5	0.1	2.5	0.5	151

“Given time and space” being the operative words.
That doesn’t exist in AFL unless you create it by pure speed, a don’t argue or some wizardry.
He doesn’t seem to have any of those attributes.
His 20m sprint times suggests some raw speed is there, but he doesn’t switch it on when needed. This can be trained so something to work on/with

 

[eZyT]

His 20m sprint times suggests some raw speed is there,

Bachar said a really interesting thing on 20m sprint times in his book.

he was running 3.2's and worried coming into the draft camp.

he went to Bhodan Babijczuk, who got him down to a brisk 2.8,

but heres the thing,

Bachar reckoned his speed over 20 didnt change,

he just got his start technique better.

the take home message for me is this;

there is no motion-triggered stopwatch on a footy field, so don't place too much weight on 20m times

 

[Merveille]

“Given time and space” being the operative words.
That doesn’t exist in AFL unless you create it by pure speed, a don’t argue or some wizardry.
He doesn’t seem to have any of those attributes.
His 20m sprint times suggests some raw speed is there, but he doesn’t switch it on when needed. This can be trained so something to work on/with

I think he a good inside step and good evasiveness. Give him 6 games in the middle pleeease - then we will know

 

[Harry]

Think the coaches are concerned with his field coverage

 

[Merveille]

Think the coaches are concerned with his field coverage

Could be true, and it will only get worse sitting on his arse..