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Kevin Bartlett
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If they picked the Team of the Century again now, I don't think it would change much
maybe wait 80 years until they pick the next one and Dusty might make the team of this century
Agree it's a ridiculous proposition. 2 absolute legends of the club and the game from different eras. almost impossible to compare. Happy to have seen them both
Bourke was named on the wing. He was also nominated for the backline.
They are just someone’s opinion as well.
I tried arguing on this site after the 2020 grand final there was a very strong argument that KB’s finals record was still the equal of or better than Dusty’s and you would have thought I had killed bambi
That's it. 1980 turned it on its head. Kicked many bags throughout the season and of course owned the finals.Became an absolute legend. Go watch the 80 second semi. We may not have won that game without Kevy. Ergo, no flag.
KB was good?, he was an absolute champion. Won 5 flags and kicked 8 in a GF... whilst amassing 400+ games, plus many other awards.
To say KB/cotch etc couldnt carry Dustins boots is crappy...
Love Dust & KB as players.. Both absolute champions.
No need to denigrate one to make the point your opinion is the other is better.
To compare players and times is pointless, its just opinions and BS..
Who cares really, they were both champions and tigers for life!
Will say on a personal level, its been an absolute privilege wo watch Dusty/Rance/Cotch/Jack and few others career. Go Tiges
I remember watching KB play well. He had the same aura on the ground as Dusty. When he got near the ball the crowd would sit up in the knowledge that there was a good chance something special was going to happen, much like Dusty today.
We're lucky to have seen both play in the yellow and black.
We're lucky to have seen both play in the yellow and black.
Have no idea where you got those stats from Lazy Days, but good reading.
As an aside, I was lucky enough to be invited many moons ago to a Kevin Bartlett Roasting night.
Was amazed at what a sense of humour KB had.
Up "till then had always thought of him a bit sort of reclusive or even off handed.
he did not come across on that night anything like that, just the opposite.
Notwithstanding he was a brilliant footballer and a true Tiger as he is to this day.
Maybe you got these stats from his son Rhett?
One thing about KB that I don’t think gets the air time it deserves is that they changed the rules of the game to limit his effectiveness in getting free kicks for holding the man.
He is in very rare company in this regard.
Across all sport I can only think of one other sportsman who has had such recognition, and that is Walter Lindrum in billiards.
He is in very rare company in this regard.
Across all sport I can only think of one other sportsman who has had such recognition, and that is Walter Lindrum in billiards.
Different eras , different players .
in another sport I follow boxing , the comparisons between eras happen all the time and nothing can be proven , its all opinion based and different people will have different opinions almost always leaning towards their favorites .
in another sport I follow boxing , the comparisons between eras happen all the time and nothing can be proven , its all opinion based and different people will have different opinions almost always leaning towards their favorites .
The bodyline tactic was used to try to stop Bradman but was banned apparently when the Poms got it given back to them and sooked. Only allowed 2 behind square on the leg side since so that kind of fits with your comments above.
I still reckon 6-6-6 was brought in to stop Alex Rance's dominance as our 7th man in the backline.
I've been lucky enough to have met KB a few times & each time I've been more than impressed as to how he's interacted with, not only me but everyone else around him. He's never once been dismissive or acted high & mighty.
My daughter has interacted with him in work situations & he's always been easy to deal with & good humored, mind you he also wouldn't take any crap either, which is fair enough.
As I've said before on this thread, I count myself very lucky to have seen both KB & Dusty in my lifetime. Not to mention Blokes like Hart, Bourke, Barrott, Green, Weightman, Wiley, Clay, Cotchin etc. The list is almost endless, so many great players. What a privilege for us.
TBR, you're entitled to your opinion, but your comment about KB not being fit to "carry Dustys boots" I find laughable, I doubt that you saw him play, I did (many, many times) he was an out & out CHAMPION in every sense of the word & proved it in over 400 games for the Tigers + many Interstate games.
Dusty is also an absolute CHAMPION there's no doubt about that either, I'm just rapt that I've been lucky enough to have seen them both.
Forgot bodyline.
I always figured 6-6-6 was designed to win both Geelong and Collingwood a flag. Funny how both had reps on the rules committee that deliberated on it, and both on paper seemed to be the best prepared for its introduction.
But didn’t it backfire spectacularly!
Dusty still needs to keep delivering to get to that stage TBR. Hopefully for all our sakes he does.
Hate comparing era's but if he retired tomorrow, all metrics considered, Hungry would have to still go down as our greatest Tiger.
Hate comparing era's but if he retired tomorrow, all metrics considered, Hungry would have to still go down as our greatest Tiger.
With respect, that is just silly saying a player as good as Bartlett couldn’t carry someone’s boots. It is just not a thing you say about a player with that good a record. Plenty of people think Leigh Matthews is the best player of all time, and therefore better than his contemporary Bartlett, but when you compare their records overall and especially in the biggest games, it is not such a clear cut thing. And that is against what many believe is the best player ever. I am unsure how they performed when they went head to head, which they would have done many times. It would be interesting to look at that. They never met in a final. Just checked, in fact Bartlett was 5 years older than Matthews. Bartlett started playing regularly about 5 years before Matthews did, but Matthews only played 2 seasons past Bartlett’s retirement. Their disposal and goal averages are roughly similar in a large amount of finals played by both, but Matthews averaged 2.7 v Bartlett’s 1.9 goals per match across their careers. Across a 20 odd year period mid 60’s to mid 80’s I think you would be entitled to say Matthews had the best career and Bartlett the second best.
I saw loads of Bartlett, he was a brilliant player, in my opinion above the ordinary run of the best couple of players in most teams, especially due to his excellence over so many seasons and in 2 different roles. A man with his career can hold his head high in any company, for overall value over time he would certainly be in the top 10 in history, if not top 5.
Martin is obviously a superb footballer also well above the ordinary run of best couple of players in most teams. It is very difficult comparing players over different eras, but both Martin and Bartlett would have been huge stars in the era the other played in.
This really is absurd, to claim that a 5 time premiership player, one of the best finals performers ever, 5 time B&F etc etc etc ad nauseum somehow doesn't stack up to a modern day player is just wilful ignorance.
Kevin Bartlett stacks up to any player over time, that is why he is a legend. Tough, resilient and a proven performer when it matters, just look at the comments from Tom Hafey (better judge than the pundits here I would think, no matter their claims to glory) at Bartlett's induction into the Hall of Fame speak volumes, the player you could rely on to win a close game, etc.
I'll listen to a 4 time premiership coach thanks, there are very few who are a peer to Hafey when it comes to judging footballers, and they ain't posting here.
DS
Kevin Bartlett stacks up to any player over time, that is why he is a legend. Tough, resilient and a proven performer when it matters, just look at the comments from Tom Hafey (better judge than the pundits here I would think, no matter their claims to glory) at Bartlett's induction into the Hall of Fame speak volumes, the player you could rely on to win a close game, etc.
I'll listen to a 4 time premiership coach thanks, there are very few who are a peer to Hafey when it comes to judging footballers, and they ain't posting here.
DS
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