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Brodders17 said:
personally i dont really think Abbott has broken any promises.
he just flat out lied and kept lying before the election.

he was always going cut education, health, ABC, pensions and the rest. but he thought he may not win the election if was honest so he lied. and lied. and lied again.

and anyone who voted for him should not really complain that he has lied because he has done it before. a lot. and it was obvious he was doing it at the time.

as for his policies, do i care that someone on $190k will pay an extra $200 tax a year for the next 3 years? not really.
do i care that petrol will go up a little? not really.
do i care that people wont be able to get the pension until they are 70, instead of 67 in 2030? no.

do i care that people under 30 are at risk of receiving no support if they cannot find a job? yes.
do i care that they are ripping funding from health? yes.
do i care that they are ripping funding from education? yes.
do i care that they are ripping funding from indigenous affairs? yes.
do i care that they are ripping funding from renewable energies? yes.
do i care that they are going to make it harder for people with disabilities to receive the disability support pension? yes.

i am sure i could on. my opposition to much of this is not based on me being any worse off, rather that we as a country will be worse off.

Let's not forget the GST rise which is a likely budget result.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
I deserve better. So I moved to Ireland...they're not any better. :(

you can run, but you cant hide KR. at least you can drink guiness and admire lovely green eyed, red haired, maidens.
 
interesting article in the age today... the queensland premier thinks abbott deliberately bled the states of education and health funding so the premiers would demand a lifting of the GST to recover the costs. then abbott could claim it wasn't his idea. makes a hell of a lot of sense. $20 billion worth of cuts in victoria alone is an astounding figure.
 
Ian4 said:
interesting article in the age today... the queensland premier thinks abbott deliberately bled the states of education and health funding so the premiers would demand a lifting of the GST to recover the costs. then abbott could claim it wasn't his idea. makes a hell of a lot of sense. $20 billion worth of cuts in victoria alone is an astounding figure.
All the rhetoric from Hockey suggests this is the case. Basically he is running the line that education and health are state responsibilities and if they want to run the debate on GST it is up to them. This is a giant set up.

Some form of state tax increase is a given now , no choice
 
Polls certainly sent a message.

I get the feeling the large block of swing voters are starting to realise Abbott is not Howard and they are not impressed.
 
Baloo said:
Polls certainly sent a message.

I get the feeling the large block of swing voters are starting to realise Abbott is not Howard and they are not impressed.


Abbott isnt even close to be able to even tie somone like Howards shoe laces let alone govern a country like Australia. Never has and never will.
 
From the horses mouth

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152870797709097&set=vb.781304096&type=2&theater
 
Azza said:
From the horses mouth

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152870797709097&set=vb.781304096&type=2&theater

im not sure that is fair on horses.

ive said it before, but anyone who believed anything he said before the election, or anything he says now, is being foolish.
about the most honest thing he has ever said is when he admitted he lies.
 
Azza said:
From the horses mouth

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152870797709097&set=vb.781304096&type=2&theater

Don't think anyone can kick Abbott as hard as Abbott can kick Abbott, and when you add in the 'scholarship' his daughter got, things aren't heading up any time soon. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-friend-linked-to-60000-scholarship-for-frances-abbott-at-private-college-20140521-38olh.html
 
Mr Abbott was also on the defensive over reports, first revealed in The Guardian, that Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, had recommended Mr Abbott's daughter Frances for a $60,000 design degree scholarship. Mr Taylor is a Liberal party donor.
Mr Abbott said on Thursday that his daughter was awarded the scholarship on merit and maintained it on merit.
"I'm very proud of her; she's doing a fantastic job," he said.
"I've always said families should be kept out of the front line. That's the way I've always tried to run my political operation – that we play hard but fair. Families should be
out of it."​

The Prime Minister also said voters did not expect an ''action replay of the last six years'' over leadership, saying he ''expected to remain as leader'' to the next election in 2016.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-admits-wink-was-a-mistake-defends-daughter-over-scholarship-controversy-20140522-38ppk.html#ixzz32OVOAdIE​



And who was he parading around like prize cattle prior to the election? And whose virginity was he discussing?​
 
rosy23 said:
The Prime Minister also said voters did not expect an ''action replay of the last six years'' over leadership, saying he ''expected to remain as leader'' to the next election in 2016.

Interesting. I wonder what the context of the leadership comment was? Is he feeling a tad shaky?
 
K3 said:
Don't think anyone can kick Abbott as hard as Abbott can kick Abbott, and when you add in the 'scholarship' his daughter got, things aren't heading up any time soon. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-friend-linked-to-60000-scholarship-for-frances-abbott-at-private-college-20140521-38olh.html

Awarded on merit my proverbial -

"Documents obtained by New Matilda also challenge claims by the Prime Minister that his daughter’s scholarship was won on merit.

Rather than an exhaustive application process, Ms Abbott, aged 22, was offered the ‘Managing Director’s Scholarship’ at her first and only meeting with the owner of the Institute, Leanne Whitehouse.

The Institute declined to nominate any other occasion when the scholarship has been awarded, and did not address a lengthy list of questions submitted by New Matilda early this morning.

Whitehouse insiders have claimed the scholarship was kept secret, even from many senior staff.

Documents show that in December 2010, over a period of one month, at least four attempts were made to contact Ms Abbott by phone and arrange an interview with Leanne Whitehouse.

A meeting finally took place on February 18, 2011.

Internal documents record: “Had interview with [Leanne Whitehouse]… – offered at time of interview.”

The next entry, on February 24, reads: “Student been offered ‘Managng (sic) Director Scholarship for 2011.”

Despite this, the Institute’s website states that Whitehouse does “… not currently offer scholarships to gain a place into the Bachelor of Design”.

It adds: “At the discretion of Whitehouse, a scholarship for further study may be offered during the academic year to students who have formally commenced their studies and show exceptional ability and dedication.”

Ms Abbott was awarded her scholarship before the school year began.

The Whitehouse website does not list the Managing Director’s Scholarship on its awards page, despite the fact it is by far the largest scholarship awarded by the school.

There also appears to be some confusion about the name of the scholarship – Leanne Whitehouse told Guardian Australia today it was called the ‘Chairman’s Scholarship’. But internal documents repeatedly refer to it as the ‘Managing Director’s Scholarship’.

An account of how Frances Abbott came to be a student at Whitehouse, provided to New Matilda by a staff member, casts further doubt on the claims by the Prime Minister that her appointment was based entirely on merit.

The source told New Matilda that Frances Abbott was approached by Whitehouse Chairman of the Board - and friend of the Abbott family - Les Taylor, after Taylor became aware that Frances was looking to complete a degree with a competing design school.

“Les Taylor knew the Abbott family. [Frances] wanted to do something related to creativity and styling. She was going to go to one of our competitors. I think it was Billy Blue [a design school in North Sydney],” the source told NM.

“Leanne got the Chairman of the Board [Taylor] to tell [Frances] she had the offer of a scholarship.”"

https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/21/leaked-documents-cast-doubt-abbotts-60k-scholarship-claims
 
rosy23 said:
And who was he parading around like prize cattle prior to the election? And whose virginity was he discussing?

Blistering post! and bang on. Clear conflict of interest. Even if she was good enough to get the scholarship, the right thing to do was knock it back.

Also, I can't remember a budget reaction as broadly and relentlessly negative as this, not even close. Only the Murdoch press is able to fins any positives, and that because the budget canned the ABC asia network as a personal favour to him. And even they can't really dress it up much. Its amazing, politically, economically, socially, environmentally, and strategically bad.
 
The strategy is fairly transparent. Make this a painful budget on the grounds that there is pure belief they will survive it. Next budget will be moderate, third one, before the next election will offer tax cuts and grants to all and sundry.

Leaving us back where we started.
 
Baloo said:
Leaving us back where we started.

Not quite Baloo. The deregulated Unis will stay, as will the growing petrol excise, and a broken medicare. The states that sell public hospitals to fund the health short-fall will never buy them back, and the GST will no doubt never drop from the 15% or so that it will have to be raised to.