Talking Politics

[Rosy]

I thought I already answered ....

I read through your posts on the thread and I can't see what your personal opinion is and the reasons for it.

.... What's yours?

I don't know enough about it to have any real opinions at the moment. I am not a fan of live export of sheep. I only asked you because you questioned others without offering your own opinion. I was hoping I might learn something about it.

 

[Willo]

I read through your posts on the thread and I can't see what your personal opinion is and the reasons for it.

I don't know enough about it to have any real opinions at the moment. I am not a fan of live export of sheep. I only asked you because you questioned others without offering your own opinion. I was hoping I might learn something about it.

I never said I thought it was good or otherwise.
I said I take it that it must be good, seeing it never rated a mention here
I'm sure there will be some winners and some losers though. Hopefully it will be more positive than not.

I thought that answered it.
Who did I question?
Funny you suggest I should offer an opinion (which I already did) because I questioned others (which I didn't, apart from asking was it good or?)
But then you suggest you don't have real opinions yourself, apart from live export of sheep.

 

[Rosy]

I thought that answered it.
Who did I question?
Funny you suggest I should offer an opinion (which I already did) because I questioned others (which I didn't, apart from asking was it good or?)
But then you suggest you don't have real opinions yourself, apart from live export of sheep.

Free Trade Agreement with China, good news or?

I don't know who you were questioning there. Maybe you can tell us. Considering you followed the question up with taking it must be good for Australia due to the lack of response I assumed you were asking posters on PRE.

Nothing "funny" at all. I didn't suggest you "should" offer an opinion. I merely asked what your opinion was. I still don't have a clue what it is but that's ok. I wouldn't have asked if I knew it would be an issue. Seems you prefer to be the asker than the askee.

 

[Willo]

I don't know who you were questioning there. Maybe you can tell us. Considering you followed the question up with taking it must be good for Australia due to the lack of response I assumed you were asking posters on PRE.

Nothing "funny" at all. I didn't suggest you "should" offer an opinion. I merely asked what your opinion was. I still don't have a clue what it is but that's ok. I wouldn't have asked if I knew it would be an issue. Seems you prefer to be the asker than the askee.

Tell us? Getting a bit precious there. I posed the question to the forum, I didn't question any one person. You answered your own question in your 1st sentence.
Seeing you don't have a clue what my opinion was, you may have skipped the bit where I said there would be some winners and some losers, but hopefully more positive than not. I hope that helps.
No issue to me, I thought it might promote some discussion on the FTA not focus on me. But that's ok, you seem to prefer to focus on the asker rather than the topic.

 

[mld]

No wonder people don't engage, it isn't worth the effort.

FWIW, for mine any moves towards slightly less restricted trade are good moves. I haven't had the time to look into the specifics of this agreement to have a note specific opinion.

 

[Rosy]

No wonder people don't engage, it isn't worth the effort.

....

Unfortunately I agree and am disappointed my genuine question led to such a negative exchange on the forum. I apologise for it. I was interested to know what people see as the positives and negatives, and asked someone who'd questioned others, but it's no big deal really.

 

[Willo]

No wonder people don't engage, it isn't worth the effort.

Too true

FWIW, for mine any moves towards slightly less restricted trade are good moves. I haven't had the time to look into the specifics of this agreement to have a note specific opinion.

Given that it takes some years to progressively reduce the tariffs it will probably take some time to evaluate the full effects.

 

[Tigers of Old]

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[tigerman]

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I new he was lying when I saw his lips move.

 

[mld]

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[Brodders17]

Too true

Given that it takes some years to progressively reduce the tariffs it will probably take some time to evaluate the full effects.

to answer your original question, the FTA probably warranted little comment because it not an area that people are passionate about, nor does anyone really know if it is a good or bad thing.

 

[Brodders17]

I new he was lying when I saw his lips move.

i expect this comment is in slight jest, but it was obvious at the time that Abbott was blatantly lieing about many things to ensure he won the election. these cuts arent a change of policy, or due to any change of circumstance that cause most 'broken promises'. they were always going to happen. to me this is the worst aspect of Abbott being PM. i dont like his policies, I dont like how he carries himself and the comments he makes, but worst of all was his behaviour before the election. he played voters for fools and anyone who believed him (not just voted for him, but believed him) is one. IMO.

IMO noone who voted for Abbott can complain about the lies. it is only made worse by his comments as opposition leader such as harping on the 'carbon tax' 'lie' etc.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Clive making a habit of storming out of interviews when he doesn't like hard questions. :hihi

 

[tigertim]

Tell us? Getting a bit precious there. I posed the question to the forum, I didn't question any one person. You answered your own question in your 1st sentence.
Seeing you don't have a clue what my opinion was, you may have skipped the bit where I said there would be some winners and some losers, but hopefully more positive than not. I hope that helps.
No issue to me, I thought it might promote some discussion on the FTA not focus on me. But that's ok, you seem to prefer to focus on the asker rather than the topic.

I don't know whether the FTA will be good or bad but one thing that strikes me is that fears that our relations with China would be damaged after Tones comment about Japan being our best friend (or whatever he said) were wide of the mark.

 

[Baloo]

I don't know whether the FTA will be good or bad but one thing that strikes me is that fears that our relations with China would be damaged after Tones comment about Japan being our best friend (or whatever he said) were wide of the mark.

The asian business culture is very good at keeping emotions out. If the FTA has compnents China wants, or generally favourable to China, then they wont care what Tony says.

Signing an FTA doesn't mean they like us or Tony, it just means they saw an opportunity favourable to them.

 

[JAM]

to answer your original question, the FTA probably warranted little comment because it not an area that people are passionate about, nor does anyone really know if it is a good or bad thing.

Or maybe, just maybe, there has been a general "cautious" support for the FTA in the media and given most PRE tenders who actually post in this thread are anti-Abbott or anti-Liberal it didn't suit the agenda? According to these pages Abbott's lack of international diplomacy was going to destroy China-Australia relations.

Willo nailed it.

 

[Rosy]

...
Willo nailed it.

Hope you don't mind being asked a simple question JAM, and if so please don't feel obliged to respond, but I'd be interested to know how willo nailed it?

 

[Brodders17]

Or maybe, just maybe, there has been a general "cautious" support for the FTA in the media and given most PRE tenders who actually post in this thread are anti-Abbott or anti-Liberal it didn't suit the agenda? According to these pages Abbott's lack of international diplomacy was going to destroy China-Australia relations.

Willo nailed it.

i doubt you will see much praise, or discussion, through these pages for any FTA, no matter which party negotiated it. because as i said not too many on here would really care or know.

 

[Sintiger]

I think Baloo is right.

Generally both sides of politics these days favour FTAs and they are pretty much a bi-partisan issue. The China one has been negotiated over 10 years covering both LNP and ALP governments. China signed now because they got what they wanted.

An FTA with China is probably a good thing at a macro level but that doesn't mean all elements of our society will benefit. For instance if you are in an industry that competes with Chinese imports currently subject to tariffs and those tariffs go then you won't be happy.

 

[JAM]

Hope you don't mind being asked a simple question JAM, and if so please don't feel obliged to respond, but I'd be interested to know how willo nailed it?

The silence was deafening. Most who post here are anti-abbott, anti-liberal. This (the FTA) has in most quarters been viewed as a positive step and it simply doesn't suit those posters to discuss it.

Just as a previous poster called Liverpool was relentless in his criticism of all things labour and failed to acknowledge any poitives they achieved so it is with the likes of - insert any number of prolific posters on this thread - with the libs. They bemoaned Abbott's lack of international tact but it appears we have forged closer relationships with our 2 most important regional trading partners in China & India under his watch.

Has Abbott lied and backtracked on promises - yes. Plenty of times. He is not alone on that score.